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Eric Young did an interview where he bashed Vince about as much as I've ever heard anyone bash him on a personal level in public.

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"If you have a 3 hour television show and you can't find something for me to do, then you're failing as a leader.  And I'd tell him to his face, you failed as a leader."

"The whole time you're there you're just trying to fix other people's mistakes."

"It's a broken system, it's impossible to be creative, it's impossible to get ahead."

"He looked up from his cell phone for 5 seconds and saw me doing something he didn't agree with in that moment and that was the end of it."

"I'm in this position because he couldn't recognize that I had anything to offer."






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Eric Young couldn't draw a dime if he was a direct descendent from Pablo Picasso. But to be honest, I agree with everything he said pretty much.



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Vince is worth billions still.

Way to destroy the man, Eric Young.

Headline should be, "Eric Young Burns Bridge."



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Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.



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victhestick wrote: Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.Did you ever think that *maybe* it wasn’t about the fact that they gave him a couple of belts and more that they treated him with respect backstage?  They talked to him face to face, gave him a role to play, and let him pretty much run with anything he wanted to do within reason.  And when he left to go to NXT, they shook his hand and wished him the best.  Those gimmicks that were bad he had a hand in, and he worked hard to make the best of them.  He was on TV every week and they listened to his suggestions and his input.  In WWE, he was completely ignored.  Granted - if you wanted to pay me on average $450k to show up to TV every single week and PPV every month and all I had to do was sit on my ass, I would be grateful.  That’s the part of wrestling I will never understand.  Guys like Mike Bennett saying he wanted to be released because he was being held back creatively is a damn joke.  It’s why I always liked Zack Ryder.  He totally GETS IT.  He showed up to Raw for something like 45 straight weeks without ever appearing on TV.  He didn’t even get shown on the Draft episode.  But he stayed in shape, kept his mouth shut, and cashed the checks.  Which is what Eric Young should have done because the money WWE paid him should keep him comfortable for a few years depending on how he lives.



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Superstar wrote: victhestick wrote: Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.Did you ever think that *maybe* it wasn’t about the fact that they gave him a couple of belts and more that they treated him with respect backstage?  They talked to him face to face, gave him a role to play, and let him pretty much run with anything he wanted to do within reason.  And when he left to go to NXT, they shook his hand and wished him the best.  Those gimmicks that were bad he had a hand in, and he worked hard to make the best of them.  He was on TV every week and they listened to his suggestions and his input.  In WWE, he was completely ignored.  Granted - if you wanted to pay me on average $450k to show up to TV every single week and PPV every month and all I had to do was sit on my ass, I would be grateful.  That’s the part of wrestling I will never understand.  Guys like Mike Bennett saying he wanted to be released because he was being held back creatively is a damn joke.  It’s why I always liked Zack Ryder.  He totally GETS IT.  He showed up to Raw for something like 45 straight weeks without ever appearing on TV.  He didn’t even get shown on the Draft episode.  But he stayed in shape, kept his mouth shut, and cashed the checks.  Which is what Eric Young should have done because the money WWE paid him should keep him comfortable for a few years depending on how he lives.
Couldn’t have said it better myself and glad that I waited for someone else to chime in. Eric Young was used GREAT in TNA. Tremendous diversity of characters and positions on the card - comedy, psychopath, main eventer, journeyman, tag team, singles - you name it, he did it. And he knocked it out of the park every time while having a prominent role on TV every week for years. Why in the world would Eric Young ever be upset with TNA?  And I reiterate Young’s point that if you sign and pay a versatile guy like that and can’t find a spot for him on your boring 3 hour TV show, who’s fault is that?

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: victhestick wrote: Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.Did you ever think that *maybe* it wasn’t about the fact that they gave him a couple of belts and more that they treated him with respect backstage?  They talked to him face to face, gave him a role to play, and let him pretty much run with anything he wanted to do within reason.  And when he left to go to NXT, they shook his hand and wished him the best.  Those gimmicks that were bad he had a hand in, and he worked hard to make the best of them.  He was on TV every week and they listened to his suggestions and his input.  In WWE, he was completely ignored.  Granted - if you wanted to pay me on average $450k to show up to TV every single week and PPV every month and all I had to do was sit on my ass, I would be grateful.  That’s the part of wrestling I will never understand.  Guys like Mike Bennett saying he wanted to be released because he was being held back creatively is a damn joke.  It’s why I always liked Zack Ryder.  He totally GETS IT.  He showed up to Raw for something like 45 straight weeks without ever appearing on TV.  He didn’t even get shown on the Draft episode.  But he stayed in shape, kept his mouth shut, and cashed the checks.  Which is what Eric Young should have done because the money WWE paid him should keep him comfortable for a few years depending on how he lives.
Couldn’t have said it better myself and glad that I waited for someone else to chime in. Eric Young was used GREAT in TNA. Tremendous diversity of characters and positions on the card - comedy, psychopath, main eventer, journeyman, tag team, singles - you name it, he did it. And he knocked it out of the park every time while having a prominent role on TV every week for years. Why in the world would Eric Young ever be upset with TNA?  And I reiterate Young’s point that if you sign and pay a versatile guy like that and can’t find a spot for him on your boring 3 hour TV show, who’s fault is that?


He was used great? Super Eric was great? Being scared of his own pyro for a year was great? Having Nash turn on him to join his buddies only for EY to turn on someone and join them was great? He was a comedy act, and never was great. I will give you the fact that he was doomed once he got called up to the main roster, but that had more to do with his age and the better talent above him on the shows. If he's as talented as you guys argue he is, why didn't guys who worked alongside him in TNA pull for him? Road Dogg, Abyss, DVon, and Pritchard off the top of my head were all in TNA with him and all work for the office. And nobody could get him booked on TV. In WWE's eyes, once a joke always a joke.



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victhestick wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: victhestick wrote: Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.Did you ever think that *maybe* it wasn’t about the fact that they gave him a couple of belts and more that they treated him with respect backstage?  They talked to him face to face, gave him a role to play, and let him pretty much run with anything he wanted to do within reason.  And when he left to go to NXT, they shook his hand and wished him the best.  Those gimmicks that were bad he had a hand in, and he worked hard to make the best of them.  He was on TV every week and they listened to his suggestions and his input.  In WWE, he was completely ignored.  Granted - if you wanted to pay me on average $450k to show up to TV every single week and PPV every month and all I had to do was sit on my ass, I would be grateful.  That’s the part of wrestling I will never understand.  Guys like Mike Bennett saying he wanted to be released because he was being held back creatively is a damn joke.  It’s why I always liked Zack Ryder.  He totally GETS IT.  He showed up to Raw for something like 45 straight weeks without ever appearing on TV.  He didn’t even get shown on the Draft episode.  But he stayed in shape, kept his mouth shut, and cashed the checks.  Which is what Eric Young should have done because the money WWE paid him should keep him comfortable for a few years depending on how he lives.
Couldn’t have said it better myself and glad that I waited for someone else to chime in. Eric Young was used GREAT in TNA. Tremendous diversity of characters and positions on the card - comedy, psychopath, main eventer, journeyman, tag team, singles - you name it, he did it. And he knocked it out of the park every time while having a prominent role on TV every week for years. Why in the world would Eric Young ever be upset with TNA?  And I reiterate Young’s point that if you sign and pay a versatile guy like that and can’t find a spot for him on your boring 3 hour TV show, who’s fault is that?


He was used great? Super Eric was great? Being scared of his own pyro for a year was great? Having Nash turn on him to join his buddies only for EY to turn on someone and join them was great? He was a comedy act, and never was great. I will give you the fact that he was doomed once he got called up to the main roster, but that had more to do with his age and the better talent above him on the shows. If he's as talented as you guys argue he is, why didn't guys who worked alongside him in TNA pull for him? Road Dogg, Abyss, DVon, and Pritchard off the top of my head were all in TNA with him and all work for the office. And nobody could get him booked on TV. In WWE's eyes, once a joke always a joke.

Young says they all did pull for him and had tons of ideas, but it all comes down to one guy.  Vince didn't want him on TV, period.  You think Abyss is going to change his mind?  In NXT, before Vince even knew who he was, he was used fine.  He was never going to be a main eventer and wasn't down there either, but he was used.

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To be fair, if Eric Young ever thought he was going to be anything more than an afterthought on the main roster, he is severely deluded. I really can't think of a good reason why WWE ever hired EY, except as a good hand in NXT to help get others over. I suspect this outspokenness is just to get attention for Impact.



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Kriss wrote: To be fair, if Eric Young ever thought he was going to be anything more than an afterthought on the main roster, he is severely deluded. I really can't think of a good reason why WWE ever hired EY, except as a good hand in NXT to help get others over. I suspect this outspokenness is just to get attention for Impact.
Up until about 15 years ago, WWE used everyone they had on the roster.  Not always well of course, but everyone got something to do, even if it was a small angle on the C show.  WCW was the company that would hire guys to sit home or fly them in every week to sit backstage and eat catering.  This was mocked mercilessly and is mentioned a lot in WWE's own documentaries as proof of WCW's complete dysfunction.  And now, that's WWE.  No one is saying Eric Young should've beaten Brock Lesnar for the title, least of all Eric Young himself.  But if they can't come up with a reason for him to feud with Curt Hawkins or someone on Main Event, then what the fuck are they doing?  It's sorta their jobs.

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: To be fair, if Eric Young ever thought he was going to be anything more than an afterthought on the main roster, he is severely deluded. I really can't think of a good reason why WWE ever hired EY, except as a good hand in NXT to help get others over. I suspect this outspokenness is just to get attention for Impact.
Up until about 15 years ago, WWE used everyone they had on the roster.  Not always well of course, but everyone got something to do, even if it was a small angle on the C show.  WCW was the company that would hire guys to sit home or fly them in every week to sit backstage and eat catering.  This was mocked mercilessly and is mentioned a lot in WWE's own documentaries as proof of WCW's complete dysfunction.  And now, that's WWE.  No one is saying Eric Young should've beaten Brock Lesnar for the title, least of all Eric Young himself.  But if they can't come up with a reason for him to feud with Curt Hawkins or someone on Main Event, then what the fuck are they doing?  It's sorta their jobs.

Once upon a time, WWF didn't have 30 men to fill a Royal Rumble. But when EY signed for WWE, he knew what he was signing up for.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: To be fair, if Eric Young ever thought he was going to be anything more than an afterthought on the main roster, he is severely deluded. I really can't think of a good reason why WWE ever hired EY, except as a good hand in NXT to help get others over. I suspect this outspokenness is just to get attention for Impact.
Up until about 15 years ago, WWE used everyone they had on the roster.  Not always well of course, but everyone got something to do, even if it was a small angle on the C show.  WCW was the company that would hire guys to sit home or fly them in every week to sit backstage and eat catering.  This was mocked mercilessly and is mentioned a lot in WWE's own documentaries as proof of WCW's complete dysfunction.  And now, that's WWE.  No one is saying Eric Young should've beaten Brock Lesnar for the title, least of all Eric Young himself.  But if they can't come up with a reason for him to feud with Curt Hawkins or someone on Main Event, then what the fuck are they doing?  It's sorta their jobs.

Once upon a time, WWF didn't have 30 men to fill a Royal Rumble. But when EY signed for WWE, he knew what he was signing up for.

They also didn't have 10 or so hours of original programming a week.  Pre-Covid, don't tell me they couldn't have shuffled rosters around to give almost everyone who was TV ready something to do.  There was actually no reason to sign 40 unknown guys for NXT UK.  Some guys they already had and weren't using like Cesaro and Maverick could've fit in well there, clearing roster spots in America for other guys they weren't using.  After 2 years I'm still not clear who Joseph Connors and Kenny Williams are.  They have a guy named Saxon Huxley who gets on TV sometimes and his parents couldn't pick him out of a lineup.  Again, it's their job to manage these rosters to make every show interesting (and also keep payroll under control so you don't have a mass firing as soon as something unexpected comes up), and they failed.

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I think Eric Young was hoping for a " producers" role in NXT and when the COVID hit, everything changed. Maybe he is just salty about that.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: I think Eric Young was hoping for a " producers" role in NXT and when the COVID hit, everything changed. Maybe he is just salty about that.Great point.  I do think I read way back that he was supposed to morph into a producer after his wrestling days were over, and HHH told him that he could make it happen.



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victhestick wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: victhestick wrote: Eric Young never said boo about TNA when he left,but they made a clown out of him for years with bad gimmicks and worse booking. But I guess it was okay because he held a belt or two.Did you ever think that *maybe* it wasn’t about the fact that they gave him a couple of belts and more that they treated him with respect backstage?  They talked to him face to face, gave him a role to play, and let him pretty much run with anything he wanted to do within reason.  And when he left to go to NXT, they shook his hand and wished him the best.  Those gimmicks that were bad he had a hand in, and he worked hard to make the best of them.  He was on TV every week and they listened to his suggestions and his input.  In WWE, he was completely ignored.  Granted - if you wanted to pay me on average $450k to show up to TV every single week and PPV every month and all I had to do was sit on my ass, I would be grateful.  That’s the part of wrestling I will never understand.  Guys like Mike Bennett saying he wanted to be released because he was being held back creatively is a damn joke.  It’s why I always liked Zack Ryder.  He totally GETS IT.  He showed up to Raw for something like 45 straight weeks without ever appearing on TV.  He didn’t even get shown on the Draft episode.  But he stayed in shape, kept his mouth shut, and cashed the checks.  Which is what Eric Young should have done because the money WWE paid him should keep him comfortable for a few years depending on how he lives.
Couldn’t have said it better myself and glad that I waited for someone else to chime in. Eric Young was used GREAT in TNA. Tremendous diversity of characters and positions on the card - comedy, psychopath, main eventer, journeyman, tag team, singles - you name it, he did it. And he knocked it out of the park every time while having a prominent role on TV every week for years. Why in the world would Eric Young ever be upset with TNA?  And I reiterate Young’s point that if you sign and pay a versatile guy like that and can’t find a spot for him on your boring 3 hour TV show, who’s fault is that?


He was used great? Super Eric was great? Being scared of his own pyro for a year was great? Having Nash turn on him to join his buddies only for EY to turn on someone and join them was great? He was a comedy act, and never was great. I will give you the fact that he was doomed once he got called up to the main roster, but that had more to do with his age and the better talent above him on the shows. If he's as talented as you guys argue he is, why didn't guys who worked alongside him in TNA pull for him? Road Dogg, Abyss, DVon, and Pritchard off the top of my head were all in TNA with him and all work for the office. And nobody could get him booked on TV. In WWE's eyes, once a joke always a joke.
Hey - I know that you are replying to Rossi, but at no point did I ever say he was "used great".  I said he was talented and worked his ass off to get lousy gimmicks over.  And I also put some of the blame on the lousy gimmick on him.  But I don't think it's fair that you brought up Nash turning on him, because on the Saturday night before they tried to recreate the Monday Night Wars with Hogan, etc., I saw Nash and Young team at a house show (stunning that Nash went to a house show, I know), and while Nash got on the mic and said that "things were about to change in a big way, and the band is getting back together", the whole Eric Young part of this was an afterthought and a means to an end.  Nash and Young were decent together and if not for the reboot they wouldn't have dicked Young over the way that they did.  The guy is a talented and solid midcarder who should have been in NXT for life.  Same goes for Bobby Roode, neither of those two should have been called up because that's not what they signed on for.



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