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A perfect example of the shitty writing that Vince loves is Drew McIntyre talking about being fired years ago, every single week. It was fine at the beginning when he first came back, but he’s been World champion for 4 months now. Who wants a World champion who got fired and keeps reminding us about it? Vince is obsessed with the idea that McIntyre’s gimmick is that he sucked 10 years ago. He’s completely divorced from reality about what can get over today.  

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Also shown up the illogic of not referring to title belts as belts.

Apollo Crews announces he is going to retire the title. No, he's retiring the belt. He didn't win two titles by beating MVP, he took possession of a second belt.

Although credit to the storyline for being an innovative way of introducing a new title design.



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Whatever Vince said to the writers certainly had an effect. They have outdone themselves. An absolute steaming turd of a show last night.



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Vince likes fake MMA fights?

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Kriss wrote: Whatever Vince said to the writers certainly had an effect. They have outdone themselves. An absolute steaming turd of a show last night.
I was thinking throughout that entire show, "So this was the 3rd or 4th re-write that Vince approved?"  I'm willing to bet the original scripts were better than this.  For the life of me I can't figure out the intrigue that Vince was going for with flickering lights.  Just put a good match in the fucking ring for 20 minutes and you don't have to worry about "writing" that segment.  This isn't rocket science.



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srossi wrote: Gil Wilcox wrote: Should we expect to see Vince, HHH, Stephanie, and Shane on TV soon? It's happened so often in the past with news like this.
Shane was already announced for Raw tonight. 

Rusev tweeted this dig: “We want to build new talent”. Shane is back! Sums it up.

I remember back in the day when Vince commanded so much respect that he’d fire people and they’d still kiss his ass. Now he’s being openly mocked throughout the business. 

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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Gil Wilcox wrote: Should we expect to see Vince, HHH, Stephanie, and Shane on TV soon? It's happened so often in the past with news like this.
Shane was already announced for Raw tonight. 

Rusev tweeted this dig: “We want to build new talent”. Shane is back! Sums it up.

I remember back in the day when Vince commanded so much respect that he’d fire people and they’d still kiss his ass. Now he’s being ole my mocked throughout the business. He's turned into Verne Gagne at the end.


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khawk wrote: srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Gil Wilcox wrote: Should we expect to see Vince, HHH, Stephanie, and Shane on TV soon? It's happened so often in the past with news like this.
Shane was already announced for Raw tonight. 

Rusev tweeted this dig: “We want to build new talent”. Shane is back! Sums it up.

I remember back in the day when Vince commanded so much respect that he’d fire people and they’d still kiss his ass. Now he’s being ole my mocked throughout the business. He's turned into Verne Gagne at the end.



The similarities are striking, although Verne didn't show signs of dementia until long after he left the business. 



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Okay so when the time comes and Vince passes, and Trips and Steph take over, do things change? It easy to say well HHH ran NXT when it was awesome, but that was a one hour show per week building to big shows, much like the model of years past. Booking WWE is totally different with Raw and Smackdown.



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cookie32723 wrote: Okay so when the time comes and Vince passes, and Trips and Steph take over, do things change? It easy to say well HHH ran NXT when it was awesome, but that was a one hour show per week building to big shows, much like the model of years past. Booking WWE is totally different with Raw and Smackdown.
I think some things will certainly change.  The overall booking philosophy starts and stops with Vince, no matter how many writers he hires and fires.  Without Vince, there is a different creative vision for sure.

That said, WWE is a huge corporation that's gotten too big to be very fluid.  This won't be like a shift in direction back when a '70s territory changed bookers.  There are policies, practices, and a corporate culture in place that anyone will find challenging to change at this point.  I think a lot of it depends on how much HHH and Stephanie really want to get involved in every aspect and how much respect they command among the suits.  We could easily see a bean counter running things one day, and then it's WCW and will go under or be sold. 

Interesting timing, but HHH recently said he wants to retire at 65 and not do this until death like his father-in-law.  He's 50 or 51 now.  He obviously could change his mind and a lot can happen in 15 years, but there's no guarantee that the McMahons run this forever.  With all the money they have and the headaches that come with being the CEO of a global brand, it's easy to walk away after a lot of years even if it's the family business.

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HHH and Steph could end up with a much less pwoerful version of WWE to run if Vince lives for years still. A re-build and change of philosophy will be absolutely necessary by then if they want any chance to grow back their fan base.

Might be too late for that by then though.

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khawk wrote: HHH and Steph could end up with a much less pwoerful version of WWE to run if Vince lives for years still. A re-build and change of philosophy will be absolutely necessary by then if they want any chance to grow back their fan base.

Might be too late for that by then though.

The Board should really force Vince to reduce his influence and activities in running the day-to-day on-air product.  They won’t, but they should. The company is in free-fall but the stock price has held up fairly well considering. The problem is, these huge TV contracts will expire and how on earth will WWE ever get another one if things continue like this?  And with the apparent abandonment of streaming and live events at the same time that ratings are nil, what does that leave?  What’s the future of the company?  They don’t seem to know. 



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It was nice to see the WWE try something different if only because in style and format, Raw has not substantially changed since March of 1997. They have changed Titantrons and stages. The theme music has changed many times. There have been some minor variations in formatting. The announcers desk has moved a few times. However, it's the same show. The execution of Raw Underground was far from great and the concept needs work to be certain, if it is to continue in the long haul. However, at least it wasn't the same old thing. It looked and felt totally different.


Ultimately, more than Raw Underground or any other new concept or format, what the WWE needs and has failed to provide for quite a while are wrestlers and gimmicks the fans care about along with logical storytelling and angles that are designed to get people over and not bury them or keep everyone locked into their spot. Getting people over really isn't that hard. Give the guys you want to get over lots of wins, including quality wins, and don't make them look stupid or naïve. Then be sure that the motivations and actions of these wrestlers make sense.


Fans like stars. Fans want stars. They don't want to see a promotion of midcarders. They want bigger than life main eventers. The most popular NBA players are guys like LeBron, Giannis, Curry, and Westbrook, not the reserve 2/3 swingman playing 25 scattered minutes per night or the starting center on a bad team that would be a backup on a good one. Fans rooted for Austin, The Rock, Michaels, and Undertaker not only because they were really good, but because they were booked to be big stars and were protected. The WWE doesn't do that with any top guy now except for Brock who, in no big surprise, has stayed over consistently from day one. You never saw Austin get beat up and left laying like a fool. He usually came out on top week to week and if the heels took him down, they had to gang up on him to do so with Austin alwayss continuing to fight back and resist.



At the same time, give the fans some credit and don't tell them it's 80 degrees and sunny when it's really 50 degrees and raining. In other words, don't tell the fans stupid stuff and expect them to buy it wholesale. Don't ignore what happened four weeks ago and then tell fans something else actually happened. None of this is difficult. It's actually easy, but the WWE refuses to do it.

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Toothpaste was out of the tube a long time ago. Everybody knows Vince is nuts and has been getting worse. IF HHH takes over, MAYBE, there's chance he can make the matches and storylines be more compelling and interesting and oh yeah, wrestling, titles, belts and straps might be important again. That's a long shot but all we got.



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I don't even know what to say and probably shouldn't be allowed to comment because I'm not invested at all in the current product and really have only been watching the annual Wrestlemania shows.

I just think a long time ago things became too complicated and over-thought. I'd be ok with an hour show, six squash matches, four interviews, an update segment, and some highlights. I don't need someone to try to write an episode of Law and Order or Parks and Rec. Just give me some old time wrestling where stars get over by kicking ass in the ring and then giving a good interview. Probably need to tear the whole thing down to the ground and start over, but I don't know how you do that in 2020.



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