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 Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2020 02:35 am
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So tonight on Raw, Shane McMahon is hosting this segment called Raw Underground, which is in some location in the performance center with intentionally bad lighting, a black ring mat, and no ropes.  The ring is surrounded by people (other potential participants) yelling, while two people fight randomly until the winner is pulled off.  There are 3 dancer chicks on the side, and Shane McMahon is commentating while ring announcing.  It’s being presented as “no rules” fighting designed to look very stiff, kinda like Brawl For All 20+ years ago (but staged obviously).  Looks like they may use it to debut guys or build them back up.  Erik from the Viking Raiders showed up and “looked tough” following his recent comedy skits.

It's almost as if someone on WWE creative watched that Fight Club movie with Brad Pitt last weekend and thought it would be a good idea on Raw.  At least it’s something different I guess.









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It was an embarrassing plea for the fans to think they’re cool. The dancing girls in particular were just pathetic. This underground fight club trope was used in every TV show and B movie...25 years ago. And then they debut the big guy who was the main villain in their Netflix movie, so it’s like when they brought Zeus in after he was in “No Holds Barred”. Shane also looked like he was going on safari instead of hosting an illegal fight club.



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srossi wrote: Shane also looked like he was going on safari instead of hosting an illegal fight club.
LOL yeah he did.  I wonder how many weeks this segment gets?

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Boz1515 wrote: srossi wrote: Shane also looked like he was going on safari instead of hosting an illegal fight club.
LOL yeah he did.  I wonder how many weeks this segment gets?

It actually just made me realize even more how old and out of touch Vince is. Because Shane is supposed to be the young, hip one in the family and he’s 50 now, completely gray, chubby, and showing up on TV thinking that was the right outfit choice. 

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It seemed like a segment for the Hurt Business to get over. Loved their suits by the way.

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Dabba-Kato, the huge fighter on Raw Underground, is Babatunde Aiyegbusi.

He was a gridiron player in his native Poland and played 3 preseason games for the Minnesota Vikings in 2015.

Aiyegbusi has been at the WWE Performance Center since 2016.

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Ed Lock wrote: Dabba-Kato, the huge fighter on Raw Underground, is Babatunde Aiyegbusi.

He was a gridiron player in his native Poland and played 3 preseason games for the Minnesota Vikings in 2015.

Aiyegbusi has been at the WWE Performance Center since 2016.

He's gotten almost all of his real experience being lent out to EVOLVE, where he feuded with Eddie Kingston, who just signed with AEW.  And he was the featured villain in WWE's Netflix movie "The Main Event".  I'm not sure why they never put him on NXT TV, but from what I've seen he could've used the work. 



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It was nice to see the WWE try something different if only because in style and format, Raw has not substantially changed since March of 1997. They have changed Titantrons and stages. The theme music has changed many times. There have been some minor variations in formatting. The announcers desk has moved a few times. However, it's the same show. The execution of Raw Underground was far from great and the concept needs work to be certain, if it is to continue in the long haul. However, at least it wasn't the same old thing. It looked and felt totally different.

Ultimately, more than Raw Underground or any other new concept or format, what the WWE needs and has failed to provide for quite a while are wrestlers and gimmicks the fans care about along with logical storytelling and angles that are designed to get people over and not bury them or keep everyone locked into their spot. Getting people over really isn't that hard. Give the guys you want to get over lots of wins, including quality wins, and don't make them look stupid or naïve. Then be sure that the motivations and actions of these wrestlers make sense. 

Fans like stars. Fans want stars. They don't want to see a promotion of midcarders. They want bigger than life main eventers. The most popular NBA players are guys like LeBron, Giannis, Curry, and Westbrook, not the reserve 2/3 swingman playing 25 scattered minutes per night or the starting center on a bad team that would be a backup on a good one. Fans rooted for Austin, The Rock, Michaels, and Undertaker not only because they were really good, but because they were booked to be big stars and were protected. The WWE doesn't do that with any top guy now except for Brock who, in no big surprise, has stayed over consistently from day one. You never saw Austin get beat up and left laying like a fool. He usually came out on top week to week and if the heels took him down, they had to gang up on him to do so with Austin always continuing to fight back and resist.

At the same time, give the fans some credit and don't tell them it's 80 degrees and sunny when it's really 50 degrees and raining. In other words, don't tell the fans stupid stuff and expect them to buy it wholesale. Don't ignore what happened four weeks ago and then tell fans something else actually happened. None of this is difficult. It's actually easy, but the WWE refuses to do it.

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Raw Underground wasn't wrestling. You can do whatever weird shit you want, but you need a wrestling ring, with ropes, and some semblance of a wrestling match. Otherwise it's not wrestling, and then what the fuck are we watching? There's a reason TV shows are 1 hour long, not three hours long.

I know Vince wants the sports part to be 10% and the entertainment part to be 90%, but at the moment, the entertainment is almost non-existant, so if you try to take out the sports part, there's nothing left.



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Kriss wrote: Raw Underground wasn't wrestling. You can do whatever weird shit you want, but you need a wrestling ring, with ropes, and some semblance of a wrestling match. Otherwise it's not wrestling, and then what the fuck are we watching? There's a reason TV shows are 1 hour long, not three hours long.

I know Vince wants the sports part to be 10% and the entertainment part to be 90%, but at the moment, the entertainment is almost non-existant, so if you try to take out the sports part, there's nothing left.

The biggest problem with Vince is that he always compared himself to whatever TV show was hot at the time (he loved saying he was "NYPD Blue" in the'90s) while not having the foggiest idea of the essential elements that made those TV shows successful.  You know, stuff like great writing, character development, top-notch actors, etc.  So what you have left with Vince's vision is not wrestling and it's not entertaining.  And at a time when it would be the easiest thing in the world to say, "Fuck it, we're just doing a NJPW style tournament for the next 3 months filled with 20 minute matches to eat up this awful Covid period because we literally have no idea what else to do and 5 people are now watching our shows", he refuses to do it and instead double-downs on stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling and obviously isn't going to work.  If they just did that, it would at least reduce the stress level at Titan Tower exponentially while gaining some critical acclaim from those 5 people who still care, and I don't know if it's possible to improve the ratings at this point but I guarantee you that at 10% of the effort they would get the same if not larger ratings.  They won't even try.  They'll try any absurd idea that Vice can come up with on hallucinogens like that Firefly Funhouse Match, but they will absolutely not try actual wrestling.  

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I liked it. It was different.

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freebirdsforever2019 wrote: I liked it. It was different.

That's not a good reason to like something. They could have done something with the idea. But the "matches" were all about 30 seconds long. The jobbers  didnt even have names. I know you have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy wrestling, but this was way beyond that. Even the WrestleHouse nonsense on Impact has something behind it. This just appeared with no explanation, and it doesn't stand up to even the smallest scrutiny.

Also, WWE has the worst track record when it comes to keeping going with something different. I'll be surprised if this even makes it to September.
They are shit out of luck that more people tuned in this week and saw this abomination of a show.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, though.



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Josh Barnett is freaking out saying that WWE stole his idea, a series called "Bloodsport" that he's been running. I've never seen it so can't speak to the similarities.



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Pfft. They had the Bloodsports Channel as a pisstake on Glam Metal Detectives in 1994ish.



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srossi wrote: Josh Barnett is freaking out saying that WWE stole his idea, a series called "Bloodsport" that he's been running. I've never seen it so can't speak to the similarities.
Bloodsport is awesome. Done every Wrestlemania weekend. I was originally Matt Riddle's bloodsport, but after he went to NXT, Barnett took it over. He said as long as he got to bring in who we wanted, then we would stay involved with it. I follow Barnett on Twitter, the guy is a hoot! Pretty sure that you can watch bloodsport on Fite TV. Here is a list of the shows that he has done. You can buy the DVD's on smarkmark.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCW_Bloodsport

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