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I'm watching the Iron Sheik documentary that was released for free on YouTube.  I have questions about the fall-out from the arrest with Duggan in NJ where thy were driving together and got pulled over for drinking and drugs.

As best I can piece together from Cagematch results, the date of the arrest was May 26, 1987.  They got pulled over around 6:00 PM driving from Newark airport to get to the show in Asbury Park that night.  They were late, but made the show, and were naive enough to think that no one would find out so they didn't tell the agents at the house show what happened.  That night, there is a result showing Duggan and Patera beating Sheik and Volkoff. 

The next morning, it's all over the papers and everyone in the WWF finds out.  Duggan claims it made the back page of the Daily News with a headline reading "Boozing Bozos" (I'd like to see that back page if this is true, I don't remember it and for this to make the backpage over the Mets in 1987 might be an exaggeration).  According to the documentary, Sheik was fired and had to take indy booking at high school gyms in front of 200 people for the rest of the year.  There's no mention of what happened to Duggan since it's not his documentary.

So according to Cagematch, Sheik essentially gets a month off and then actually returns to the WWF for a house show on June 21, and they even put him over Dick Slater, who was just basically doing jobs at the time.  But then he's definitely gone for a while.  He works a few scattered shows in September for World Class, the big WWC Anniversary Show in Puerto Rico, and a dying AWA against Sgt. Slaughter.  They all seem like one-shot deals. 

Then it gets confusing.  He's back for 2 international WWF house shows in October against Duggan of all people, in France and Italy.  Then he's gone again.  Did the WWF figure no one in Europe knew or cared about this story so it was safe to have him tour with them there?  I assume only 2 results are known but surely the tour was longer than that and Sheik must've wrestled more dates over there. 

Anyway, the next month he's a regular in World Class and spends November and December there.  In January, he does one more big Puerto Rico show and then he's back in the WWF full-time in February and March, then no results until July.  After a full schedule with the WWF in July and August, he's released for good, does some AWA shots and then lands in WCW.

For Duggan, there appears to be few repercussions.  He gets a month off, loses to Butch Reed by DQ on one house show in June, and then nothing until late August when he's a full-time guy again, including lots of TV.  It's essentially a 3 month suspension with 1 house show match in that time.  How was this handled on TV?  Any storyline excuse for his absence?

What was the Sheik's official status for the rest of 1987?  Was he suspended, released and then brought back, not being used but allowed to work other shows?  Did he really do indy dates at high school gyms or is this the documentary's classification of World Class and the AWA?  Or are there WWF results missing?  How was this handled on TV?  Did he just disappear from TV completely never to be seen again or did they bother to still run his promos?  I really don't remember at the time Sheik just completely disappearing from WWF TV, but the results don't seem to indicate he was really in the mix anymore other than house shows.      
 


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The European tour could only have had a a handful of extra dates, if any are missing. Looking at Volkoff's ring record, he was only out of the US for 5 days. These European shows look like bought shows rather than a proper WWF planned tour. The cards look awful and I can't believe the attendance of 8,500 in Milan. Sheik may even have been made to go as part of his punishment. The June dates for Sheik look off. One is results only. So he may well have been advertised. There are loads of mistakes in Cawthon's results, which will be the source. I suspect that one match on June 21 didn't take place and is either a reporting error, or someone had the card and guessed at the results.

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In the world before the internet and any inkling that newsletters existed, I didn't hear about this until reading about it in PWI later that summer. I want to say I read it in the car around the first week of August of '87 (which kinda seems correct because the magazines were about 8-9 weeks behind current events...I remember Wrestlemania 2 results coming out in June 1986).

As far as tv, honestly, for Duggan I don't think I ever even noticed that he was gone. The roster was so loaded at the time that guys would generally rotate squash matches every four weeks anyway, unless it was a new guy (like I remember One Man Gang and Killer Kahn being on Superstars like 3 out of 4 weeks when they debuted).

As for Sheik, that one was a bit more obvious. Sometime in mid summer, Volkoff started doing singles squash matches or being teamed up in six man's with Butch Reed and One Man Gang.

I don't Sheik showed back up on WWF tv again until the summer of '88 for maybe one squash match as a singles guy on Superstars (by that point, Volkoff was teamed with Zuhkov).



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Regarding The Iron Sheik beating Dick Slater on June 21, 1987 in Columbus, OH, I am virtually certain this is a result that is either false or resulted from some sort of data entry error at Cagematch.net.

At the time of the card, not only was The Iron Sheik gone from the WWF, but so were Dick Slater, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, and Blackjack Mulligan while the match results for the card at Cagematch.net do not at all match the lineup that thehistoryofwwe.com has.

Cagematch.net's results for June 21, 1987 at the Ohio Center in Columbus, OH

1. Brutus Beefcake and Jake Roberts defeated Hercules and King Kong Bundy by disqualification
2. Paul Orndorff vs. Hillbilly Jim, time limit draw
3. The Iron Sheik defeated Dick Slater
4. One Man Gang defeated Paul Roma
5. Randy Savage defeated Blackjack Mulligan
6. Butch Reed defeated Hacksaw Jim Duggan by disqualification
7. Ken Patera defeated Bob Orton Jr.
8. The British Bulldogs and Junkyard Dog defeated The Hart Foundation and Danny Davis
9. Hulk Hogan defeated Harley Race

The lineup minus results at thehistoryofwwe.com.

1. Judy Martin and Leilani Kai vs. Angie Minelli and Theresa DuBose
2. Scott Casey vs. Steve Lombardi
3. Hillbilly Jim vs. King Kong Bundy
4. Jacques and Raymond Rougeau vs. Greg Valentine and Dino Bravo
5. George Steele vs. Danny Davis
6. Ricky Steamboat vs. Kamala

Regarding the latter listing, the WWF was pushing the Steele vs. Davis feud pretty hard, Bundy and HBJ were still paired at house shows coming off the angle with Little Beaver at Mania, and Steamboat had faced Kamala as recently as the day before at The Spectrum. The lineup certainly seems more plausible than the other one.

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This is helpful. Isn’t indikator one of the guys who runs Cagematch? I wish someone would make adjustments based on threads like this. I know there are other more high-profile errors that were called out ages ago that are still on there.



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Here is Wrestlingdata is saying.

6/1/87 Syracuse
6/21/87 Columbus
10/23/87 Paris
10/24/87 Milano

WWC:
9/15/87 Ponce

WCCW:
9/18/87 Dallas
10/18/87 Belton
11/21/87 Hollywood Florida
11/23/87 Fort Worth
11/26/87 Dallas Star Wars
12/25/87 Christmas Star Wars

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srossi wrote: I'm watching the Iron Sheik documentary that was released for free on YouTube.  I have questions about the fall-out from the arrest with Duggan in NJ where thy were driving together and got pulled over for drinking and drugs.

As best I can piece together from Cagematch results, the date of the arrest was May 26, 1987.  They got pulled over around 6:00 PM driving from Newark airport to get to the show in Asbury Park that night.  They were late, but made the show, and were naive enough to think that no one would find out so they didn't tell the agents at the house show what happened.  That night, there is a result showing Duggan and Patera beating Sheik and Volkoff. 

The next morning, it's all over the papers and everyone in the WWF finds out.  Duggan claims it made the back page of the Daily News with a headline reading "Boozing Bozos" (I'd like to see that back page if this is true, I don't remember it and for this to make the backpage over the Mets in 1987 might be an exaggeration).  According to the documentary, Sheik was fired and had to take indy booking at high school gyms in front of 200 people for the rest of the year.  There's no mention of what happened to Duggan since it's not his documentary.

So according to Cagematch, Sheik essentially gets a month off and then actually returns to the WWF for a house show on June 21, and they even put him over Dick Slater, who was just basically doing jobs at the time.  But then he's definitely gone for a while.  He works a few scattered shows in September for World Class, the big WWC Anniversary Show in Puerto Rico, and a dying AWA against Sgt. Slaughter.  They all seem like one-shot deals. 

Then it gets confusing.  He's back for 2 international WWF house shows in October against Duggan of all people, in France and Italy.  Then he's gone again.  Did the WWF figure no one in Europe knew or cared about this story so it was safe to have him tour with them there?  I assume only 2 results are known but surely the tour was longer than that and Sheik must've wrestled more dates over there. 

Anyway, the next month he's a regular in World Class and spends November and December there.  In January, he does one more big Puerto Rico show and then he's back in the WWF full-time in February and March, then no results until July.  After a full schedule with the WWF in July and August, he's released for good, does some AWA shots and then lands in WCW.

For Duggan, there appears to be few repercussions.  He gets a month off, loses to Butch Reed by DQ on one house show in June, and then nothing until late August when he's a full-time guy again, including lots of TV.  It's essentially a 3 month suspension with 1 house show match in that time.  How was this handled on TV?  Any storyline excuse for his absence?

What was the Sheik's official status for the rest of 1987?  Was he suspended, released and then brought back, not being used but allowed to work other shows?  Did he really do indy dates at high school gyms or is this the documentary's classification of World Class and the AWA?  Or are there WWF results missing?  How was this handled on TV?  Did he just disappear from TV completely never to be seen again or did they bother to still run his promos?  I really don't remember at the time Sheik just completely disappearing from WWF TV, but the results don't seem to indicate he was really in the mix anymore other than house shows.      
 


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srossi wrote: I'm watching the Iron Sheik documentary that was released for free on YouTube.  I have questions about the fall-out from the arrest with Duggan in NJ where thy were driving together and got pulled over for drinking and drugs.

As best I can piece together from Cagematch results, the date of the arrest was May 26, 1987.  They got pulled over around 6:00 PM driving from Newark airport to get to the show in Asbury Park that night.  They were late, but made the show, and were naive enough to think that no one would find out so they didn't tell the agents at the house show what happened.  That night, there is a result showing Duggan and Patera beating Sheik and Volkoff. 

The next morning, it's all over the papers and everyone in the WWF finds out.  Duggan claims it made the back page of the Daily News with a headline reading "Boozing Bozos" (I'd like to see that back page if this is true, I don't remember it and for this to make the backpage over the Mets in 1987 might be an exaggeration).  According to the documentary, Sheik was fired and had to take indy booking at high school gyms in front of 200 people for the rest of the year.  There's no mention of what happened to Duggan since it's not his documentary.

So according to Cagematch, Sheik essentially gets a month off and then actually returns to the WWF for a house show on June 21, and they even put him over Dick Slater, who was just basically doing jobs at the time.  But then he's definitely gone for a while.  He works a few scattered shows in September for World Class, the big WWC Anniversary Show in Puerto Rico, and a dying AWA against Sgt. Slaughter.  They all seem like one-shot deals. 

Then it gets confusing.  He's back for 2 international WWF house shows in October against Duggan of all people, in France and Italy.  Then he's gone again.  Did the WWF figure no one in Europe knew or cared about this story so it was safe to have him tour with them there?  I assume only 2 results are known but surely the tour was longer than that and Sheik must've wrestled more dates over there. 

Anyway, the next month he's a regular in World Class and spends November and December there.  In January, he does one more big Puerto Rico show and then he's back in the WWF full-time in February and March, then no results until July.  After a full schedule with the WWF in July and August, he's released for good, does some AWA shots and then lands in WCW.

For Duggan, there appears to be few repercussions.  He gets a month off, loses to Butch Reed by DQ on one house show in June, and then nothing until late August when he's a full-time guy again, including lots of TV.  It's essentially a 3 month suspension with 1 house show match in that time.  How was this handled on TV?  Any storyline excuse for his absence?

What was the Sheik's official status for the rest of 1987?  Was he suspended, released and then brought back, not being used but allowed to work other shows?  Did he really do indy dates at high school gyms or is this the documentary's classification of World Class and the AWA?  Or are there WWF results missing?  How was this handled on TV?  Did he just disappear from TV completely never to be seen again or did they bother to still run his promos?  I really don't remember at the time Sheik just completely disappearing from WWF TV, but the results don't seem to indicate he was really in the mix anymore other than house shows.      
 



IIRC there was no storyline explaining Duggan's absence, nor was the arrest acknowledged on TV. He was just gone one day and came back from out of nowhere a few months later. In shoot interviews, he claims that Vince called him the next day, told him to turn in his airline tickets and go home. Duggan assumed he'd been fired, and claims he talked to Dusty and other about working elsewhere. Eventually, Patterson or Vince called him to come back.
Duggan's suspension was shorter because he "only" had weed, while Sheiky had an 8-ball of coke.

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Blazer wrote: I don't Sheik showed back up on WWF tv again until the summer of '88 for maybe one squash match as a singles guy on Superstars (by that point, Volkoff was teamed with Zuhkov).
I specifically remember this for some reason, probably because I was like "sweet, Sheik is back."  I don't remember him doing anything else in 1988 for WWF, except this match.
I'm guessing this incident with Hacksaw (getting him off the road regularly) was the initial catalyst in his sudden weight gain.  His belly just got huge.

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srossi wrote: This is helpful. Isn’t indikator one of the guys who runs Cagematch? I wish someone would make adjustments based on threads like this. I know there are other more high-profile errors that were called out ages ago that are still on there.

Indikator is one of the editors at wrestlingdata. As am I. I know I am biased  but the historical data at wrestlingdata is far more comprehensive due to the ongoing work of myself (I add hundreds of new cards every week), indikator, Kaspar, DaClyde and others. I correct every error that is pointed out. This one will be fixed today.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: This is helpful. Isn’t indikator one of the guys who runs Cagematch? I wish someone would make adjustments based on threads like this. I know there are other more high-profile errors that were called out ages ago that are still on there.

Indikator is one of the editors at wrestlingdata. As am I. I know I am biased  but the historical data at wrestlingdata is far more comprehensive due to the ongoing work of myself (I add hundreds of new cards every week), indikator, Kaspar, DaClyde and others. I correct every error that is pointed out. This one will be fixed today.


I have removed that card and replaced it with the line-up that fits better with the timeline. The June 1 card is correct in that Sheik was still being advertised for the cards in Upstate NY that week. Obviously he didn't wrestle. I'm going to see if the results for that card are anywhere, and if not, I'll replace him with "unknown." If you come across any of the more high-profile mistakes, I can correct them straight away on wrestlingdata. Nothing I can do about mistakes on cagematch!

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