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 Posted: Fri Dec 19th, 2008 01:44 am
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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: beejmi wrote: Don't make me dig up Joe Namath's career numbers because it's insane that he is in the Hall Of Fame
if he played anywhere but new york,  he would have been considered a middle of the road QB.


Let me understand this - would the press around the rest of the country pump the guy up because he played in NY? It is not only NY press that votes for HoF. Voters in LA? Minnesota? New Mexico? would push up Namath because he played in NY? And the Jets for that matter? I am not convinced.

They put him on a pedastal because of Super Bowl III as a "breakthrough game/moment".

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Namath has an important part in NFL history because he put the AFL on the map. But he was not one of the greatest QBs of his time.

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TerryWWWF wrote: Namath has an important part in NFL history because he put the AFL on the map. But he was not one of the greatest QBs of his time.
I agree. It was his contribution to the AFL, the credibility of that league which had been mocked, and the segue to the merger.

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TerryWWWF wrote: Namath has an important part in NFL history because he put the AFL on the map. But he was not one of the greatest QBs of his time.
I am a Namath fan ( more so because 1 he was a Pittsbugh area guy, and 2 because he was a boozing womanizer) and I agree his selection to the Hall has more to do with his historical significance than his overall career.  There are lots of guys in the NFL Hall whose career stats don't come close to some of the guys today who will never make the Hall. 



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Then put him in the boozer and womanizer Hall of Fame instead ;)

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beejmi wrote: Then put him in the boozer and womanizer Hall of Fame instead ;)

Dave Meltzer has to approve that first :tongue:



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Urlacher still gets the superstar treatment here in Chicago but ever since those affairs with Paris Hilton and that Robertson girl he's not the same player. He's a good player but not as great as the media makes him to be.

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Chitown Rich wrote: Urlacher still gets the superstar treatment here in Chicago but ever since those affairs with Paris Hilton and that Robertson girl he's not the same player. He's a good player but not as great as the media makes him to be.
Seems to have lost a step or two. Tommie Harris isn't the same either. The only defensive player that has stayed at a top level for the Bears is Lance Briggs.



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beejmi wrote:
Don't make me dig up Joe Namath's career numbers because it's insane that he is in the Hall Of Fame

It's all because he did a guest spot on the Brady Bunch.

Guest spot on Brady Bunch = Pop Culture Icon

Pop Culture Icon = Assumption of Actual Greatness

Assumption of Actual Greatness = Hall of Fame Induction

It's the Transitive Law of Sports Mediocrity.



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Franco Harris was immensely overrated, he was an average RB that ran out of bounds and avoided contact at all costs...never fought for yardage, and tried to hang on to break Jim Brown's record after being nothing more than a compiler.



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Completely untrue.  You have not watched too much footage of Harris.  You want an example of Harris fighting for yardage...watch Super Bowl XIII against the Cowboys.

These criticisms of Harris usually come from people who did not watch him consistently. 

The running out of bounds knack was put on him by Jim Brown.  The assertion is true, although that same style has now become commonplace in the NFL.  Not too many running backs have come down the pike who ran over guys like Jim Brown.

I would say history has shown Harris to be underrated more than overrated.

Average running backs back in that era did not rack up over 12,000 yeards rushing. He was without a doubt an integral part of a core of players who won 4 Super Bowls.

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Take a look at what percentage of the Steelers offense Harris represented in the first two Super Bowl seasons. They didn't trust Bradshaw to throw much, and Harris carried the load.

If you can gain 12,000 yards without ever fighting for yards, seems like you've beaten the system.

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clawmaster wrote: Chitown Rich wrote: Urlacher still gets the superstar treatment here in Chicago but ever since those affairs with Paris Hilton and that Robertson girl he's not the same player. He's a good player but not as great as the media makes him to be.
Seems to have lost a step or two. Tommie Harris isn't the same either. The only defensive player that has stayed at a top level for the Bears is Lance Briggs.

is harris still banged up?  if he could stay healthy, he would be an absolute monster.



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