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There is a youtube video with Denucci & Rivera taking on The Blackjacks.  This is the one in which a mini-riot broke out at the Hamburg taping after the match.  It was not shown on TV. 

I got a few questions, since many of you are video & tape experts:

Has this video been around for awhile?

Was this released by the WWF or was it produced from somebody's collection?

Why were Denucci and Rivera facing The Blackjacks with the titles not being on the line?  Was this a setup for the title match?  If so, Rivera must have left right after this match took place.  What was the time span between this match and the time when The Blackjacks actually won the titles from Denucci and Barrett?  It seems like an odd sequence in terms of time and events.

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This is the footage if anyone wants to see it by the way - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsIvtHyxes

It's definitely from someone's collection and not something WWF has reaired. If I've worked it out correctly they had Hamburg tapings on these dates in 1975 so the match took place on one of these dates:

May 14 (Denucci/Rivera won belts the day before this)
June 4
June 25
July 16
August 6 (Rivera was already gone before this taping)
Blackjacks then won the belt on August 26


 

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The voiceovers (coming up at ______) lead me to believe that the footage actually aired in 1980

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There were voiceovers?

Albano was great taking some of those shots.

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I've had this match for years and I'm not even a serious collecter so I figured most of you guys would have had it. This match is all kinds of awesome for the sheer violence that was so rare for WWWF TV. McHugh and Weber the ref look scared shitless on the closing signoff shot. I think this match was 15 years ahead of its time with the multiple chairshots and liberal use of tables and ring steps. Even DeNucci was exciting here. 

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Excellent.  I recall watching that on tv.  Thanks.  didnt know about the riots.

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Papa Voo wrote: There were voiceovers?

Albano was great taking some of those shots.

The copy I have of this in the voiceovers they talk about (going off of memory) Larry Zbyszko "having the wrestling world buzzing" which leads me to believe they aired this thing in 1980. For whatever reason WWWF TV from 1980 there isn't a whole lot of it out there.

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That would be odd showing that match in 1980???  Hmmm.

That would have had to be a build-up to the title change.  Rivera was still in the picture.  You would wonder why they didn't just make that match the title change, unless Rivera did not notify them that he was sticking around until after this match.

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Papa Voo wrote: That would be odd showing that matchin 1980???  Hmmm.



Might have been some sort of "MSG Spotlight" type of thing, used to fill air time during a rain delay or early ending sporting event.

Just a guess, mind you.

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landy1987 wrote: This is the footage if anyone wants to see it by the way - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wsIvtHyxes

It's definitely from someone's collection and not something WWF has reaired. If I've worked it out correctly they had Hamburg tapings on these dates in 1975 so the match took place on one of these dates:

May 14 (Denucci/Rivera won belts the day before this)
June 4
June 25
July 16
August 6 (Rivera was already gone before this taping)
Blackjacks then won the belt on August 26


 
Yes you have the Hamburg TV taping dates correct.

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That still seems like a quick turnaround, even though changes did take place fast back then. 

I wonder how far they booked ahead?

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khawk wrote:


Might have been some sort of "MSG Spotlight" type of thing, used to fill air time during a rain delay or early ending sporting event.

Just a guess, mind you.

No indication that it was a "Spotlight" airing but that does seem to make alot of sense.

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How do we know for sure it didn't air when it was first done?  It definitely was aired in the '80s as that is how most people got this match.

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Taylor wrote: How do we know for sure it didn't air when it was first done?  It definitely was aired in the '80s as that is how most people got this match. I did not hear any voice overs during the match on YouTube so that would mean there was more than one original source of the match.

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The part at the end with the All Star Wrestling graphic, makes me think, as someone else mentioned, that this was a tape of an actual broadcast from 1975 and not an MSG Spotlight type broadcast from a later date.

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tamalie wrote: The part at the end with the All Star Wrestling graphic, makes me think, as someone else mentioned, that this was a tape of an actual broadcast from 1975 and not an MSG Spotlight type broadcast from a later date.
I think I saw this when it aired.  It would have been 1975.   A couple of observations:

Rocca may be the worst announcer in history.  You simply cannot understand one word coming from his mouth.  At least I couldn't.

The workers hadn't perfected the chair shot yet.  You can see them pulling back. 

Did Albano have a cigar hanging out of his mouth the entire time?

Great match with awesome heat.   The guys are more athletic today but they are not put in positions to draw heat like that.

 

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Some people do not like looking back and watching the old wrestling stuff.  It wasn't as good as they thought it was. I still enjoy iy and would take it over today's product, especially the storylines.  It is like a sick soap opera.  Even if the chair shots were pretty lame. ;)

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Ultimark wrote: tamalie wrote: The part at the end with the All Star Wrestling graphic, makes me think, as someone else mentioned, that this was a tape of an actual broadcast from 1975 and not an MSG Spotlight type broadcast from a later date.
I think I saw this when it aired.  It would have been 1975.   A couple of observations:

Rocca may be the worst announcer in history.  You simply cannot understand one word coming from his mouth.  At least I couldn't.

The workers hadn't perfected the chair shot yet.  You can see them pulling back. 

Did Albano have a cigar hanging out of his mouth the entire time?

Great match with awesome heat.   The guys are more athletic today but they are not put in positions to draw heat like that.

 


Yeah, Rocca was the shits. Best part of any show he did was when he'd call Vince "General" and say he was going to take his shoes off and sit back and watch the match.

As for the match, I'm not seeing what others did. The stuff seems to be missing by a mile. It's like everyone was working down to DeNucci's level.

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Yeah, it is comedic, but I like the pandemonium style better than this shock stuff you see today.  Loook at Albano himself.  He looked like one of the Three Stooges with the first haymaker he receives.  I don't know why, but I find it entertaining as hell.

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Again, it was aired circa 1980 or 1981 for some reason or another on the main syndicated show.  I have to pull the tape as there is a reason why they aired it.  Who knows the real reason could have been that they were short of footage for the weekly syndicated show or something else.

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Papa Voo wrote: Yeah, it is comedic, but I like the pandemonium style better than this shock stuff you see today.  Loook at Albano himself.  He looked like one of the Three Stooges with the first haymaker he receives.  I don't know why, but I find it entertaining as hell.
The whole "production" wasn't "polished" like it is today and it had a certain charm to it.

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beejmi wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Yeah, it is comedic, but I like the pandemonium style better than this shock stuff you see today.  Loook at Albano himself.  He looked like one of the Three Stooges with the first haymaker he receives.  I don't know why, but I find it entertaining as hell.
The whole "production" wasn't "polished" like it is today and it had a certain charm to it.

these are the exact reasons I love it so much...the campy fun of it all and the carnival atmosphere....this match was a great brawl and I wish 24/7 would put it up in it's entirety in good quality (also the Valiants/DeNucci-Rivera title change bloodbath from Hamburg TV that happened a few months prior)

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Agreed.



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