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 Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 09:50 pm
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does anybody know the last episode of WCW wrestling on TBS that he appeared on before his crash ?  they are currently showing the 10/11/86 episode on the 24/7 channel. it should be coming up shortly, correct ?



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The next one was taped 10/12/86 and aired on the 18th. Magnum's accident happened on 10/14/86 if I have the dates right.  I think the last one he appeared on was actually a few weeks ago. The next one 24/7 is going to air is 10/25 which is going to feature Nikita's face turn.


My question is, what was the original plan for Starrcade? The 10/18 episode was the one with the "make it good" beatdown of Dusty by the Horsemen, so I'd guess Magnum would challenge Flair to avenge him? It seems kind of weird since Magnum just finished out a program with Nikita (and losing the US belt) but it seemed they were starting a new one with Jimmy Garvin since his last TV appearance was spanking Precious in the ring on Worldwide.

It confuses me since clearly Magnum was being groomed for the world title push but there he was starting an angle with a guy in the mid card without winning back the US GOD DARNED A title he lost to the no good stinkin' Russians.



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Magnum has said that he was working a program with Garvin before moving on to Flair and winning the belt.  Everyone claims they're going to win the belt, but in this case it's probably true.



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 Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 03:37 pm
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Magnum could have been a great tweener world champ.  i'm sure that he would've eventually gone heel against Big Dust to create a great program with the two.  i still think that Magnum would've been a better heel then babyface.



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On the documentary for the Essential Starrcade they said that Magnum was the heir apparent and they were heading toward a showdown between he and Flair for '86. However, it's also been said that that he and Nikita were going to blowoff their feud in an I Quit match. 

Before Nikita was officially plugged into the spot with Flair, Jim Crockett said on TV that the title shot would be going to either Dusty or Ronnie Garvin.

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No way could they have pulled the trigger on it by Starrcade.  That's clearly not where they were heading.  It would've happened the following year.



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Nikita appeared locked and loaded for a program with Ronnie Garvin when Magnum got hurt. I would think Magnum had the title shot at Starrcade that year but we will most likely never know.

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Magnum wouldn't have won the title at Starrcade. Ric Flair just won it  on Aug 9. There was no NWA by then. Jim Crockett and Flair controlled the title and no way would Flair have gone for a Aug 9-Nov 27 title reign.

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The only match that made sense given the booking would have been Flair vs Dusty, but that would have made that the main event at Starrcade 3 years in a row. Even by Dusty standards that doesn't make any business sense.

Putting Nikita in the main event of Starrcade so close after turning doesn't make much sense either, one would think the logical starter feud would be vs Ivan to establish him renouncing his evil Soviet ways, putting him in a world title match he'd surely not be winning for the reason Peters1977 mentioned seems counterproductive.

I guess it's one of those things that we're never going to know, since the accident took place right at the very beginning of the build, and the only matches that were really set by then were the Road Warriors/MX match and the Valiant/Jones hair match.

Looking at the card, it seems like there are some obvious switches made other than the main event:

No way the Armstrong/Jimmy Garvin match was what was originally planned, same with Bubba vs Ron Garvin. 

It seems pretty clear that it was set to be Nikita/Ronnie and Magnum/Jimmy, but that still doesn't answer what the main event was supposed to be, unless it was going to be some kind of multi-person tag since again it was obvious we weren't going to see a world title change.  Maybe Dusty/Magnum/Ronnie vs Ric/Tully/Nikita?

Also I just noticed that there were 5 title matches and the only one to change hands on the biggest show of the year was the TV belt.  Not saying that means anything, but it struck me as odd.




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sek69 wrote: The only match that made sense given the booking would have been Flair vs Dusty, but that would have made that the main event at Starrcade 3 years in a row. Even by Dusty standards that doesn't make any business sense.

Putting Nikita in the main event of Starrcade so close after turning doesn't make much sense either, one would think the logical starter feud would be vs Ivan to establish him renouncing his evil Soviet ways, putting him in a world title match he'd surely not be winning for the reason Peters1977 mentioned seems counterproductive.

I guess it's one of those things that we're never going to know, since the accident took place right at the very beginning of the build, and the only matches that were really set by then were the Road Warriors/MX match and the Valiant/Jones hair match.

Looking at the card, it seems like there are some obvious switches made other than the main event:
No way the Armstrong/Jimmy Garvin match was what was originally planned, same with Bubba vs Ron Garvin. 

It seems pretty clear that it was set to be Nikita/Ronnie and Magnum/Jimmy, but that still doesn't answer what the main event was supposed to be, unless it was going to be some kind of multi-person tag since again it was obvious we weren't going to see a world title change.  Maybe Dusty/Magnum/Ronnie vs Ric/Tully/Nikita?

Also I just noticed that there were 5 title matches and the only one to change hands on the biggest show of the year was the TV belt.  Not saying that means anything, but it struck me as odd.



after the build-up of the kansas Jayhawks, they really never got a push at all.  wonder why ?



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Peters1977 wrote: Magnum wouldn't have won the title at Starrcade. Ric Flair just won it  on Aug 9. There was no NWA by then. Jim Crockett and Flair controlled the title and no way would Flair have gone for a Aug 9-Nov 27 title reign.
There was an "NWA", but with the territories disintigrating it was only more or less on paper. Crockett controlled the title, but the by-laws "officially" still may have called for the board to approve any changes.

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Don't forget too that the very next year, Flair jobbed to Ron Garvin just to be able to win the belt back a month later at Starrcade



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OK, so on the 10/18/86 show it makes it clear that the plans was certainly to go with Magnum/Nikita. Where did that leave Flair? It almost seems as if they had nothing planned at that point for the world champion. Through process of elimination, it almost seems as if they really were going to go with Flair/Ron Garvin. It would kind of make sense why he got the belt a year later, as a make-good for getting bumped out of the spot the year before.



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sek69 wrote: OK, so on the 10/18/86 show it makes it clear that the plans was certainly to go with Magnum/Nikita. Where did that leave Flair? It almost seems as if they had nothing planned at that point for the world champion. Through process of elimination, it almost seems as if they really were going to go with Flair/Ron Garvin. It would kind of make sense why he got the belt a year later, as a make-good for getting bumped out of the spot the year before.

Yeah from the interview Magnum did. It was to be Magnum vs Nikita.

I think it had to be Garvin for Starrcade 86. 

Dusty was building up a match with Tully by breaking his leg.
Wahoo was building up match with Rude. I wonder if Manny was injured cause it look like the match was to be with him.

Maybe it was Dick Murdoch cause it look like something they were building to with Dicky dressing up as Flair on the interview last show that was on classics. But he seem gone by Starrcade since he wasnt on the card.

As for Garvin getting the belt the next year. He is the only one who would take the title. No one else wanted it cause they knew they would not have it long.



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Yeah but at this point in 1986 they were doing a sort-of-build with Garvin where it wouldn't have been completely out of the blue to give him a world title shot.

It's just so odd that they had so many matches set for Starrcade at that point, but nothing for Flair.



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