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I thought I would start this thread for updates throughout the day.

I will give some feedback on things and other can do so, also.

It just isn't right with it being 85 degrees on Draft Day. :(

 I got to go put the food on.  The other half went shopping. :cool:

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Awesome. Won't be around much tonight but last year Papa Voo kept us draftnicks well updated and informed. It was good stuff.

So Stafford is being reported today as having signed with the Lions for six years so no drama left with who will be #1.

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No drama, but there were already three discussions on different shows saying that USC's Sanchez may be the better QB set to compete in the NFL.  I like it how these questions come up after the signing. 

Nothing spectacular. 

Crabtree's spot seems to be the jackpot pick right now of which team is going to select him.  Will a team take action to move up and steal him away.

 

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It looks like Picks 1 & 2 are locks with Stafford going to the Lions and Smith going to the Rams.

Seattle is a big wildcard.  Alot of people thought they would be going for Sanchez, but now they are reporting that they make take Crabtree.  Curry's name is also being spoken about.

K.C. looking to trade down with a team who may want Sanchez.

Curry could drop to the Browns. 

Where is Sanchez going to end up is the real question thus far?

 

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And who is this year's "Brady Quinn"?

Remember a few years back and he was projected to go in the top ten and the cameras were on him and his grlfriend and it all turned into an awkward and uncomfortable grin when nobody picked him til Cleveland finally selected him.

I am guessing Percy Harvin and Brandon Tate possibly just for testing positive for marijuana back at the Combine.

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Papa Voo wrote: It looks like Picks 1 & 2 are locks with Stafford going to the Lions and Smith going to the Rams.

Seattle is a big wildcard.  Alot of people thought they would be going for Sanchez, but now they are reporting that they make take Crabtree.  Curry's name is also being spoken about.

K.C. looking to trade down with a team who may want Sanchez.

Curry could drop to the Browns. 

Where is Sanchez going to end up is the real question thus far?

 
I can see Sanchez going to either Jax at 8 or SF at 10.  SF with a more immediate need. Jax really should go WR.

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I say KC blew it with Tyson Jackson. I had him as a high second rounder

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Benlen wrote: I say KC blew it with Tyson Jackson. I had him as a high second rounder
I could not agree with you more.  They should have traded down, if T. Jackson was their guy.  Jackson did move up over the past two weeks, so I thought he would go early, but I would have went with Curry, especially since they are going to a 3-4. 

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First big shake-up...a trade...The Jets trade up to Cleveland's 5th spot and take USC QB Mark Garcia.

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I have NO clue what the Browns are thinking at this point.

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Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.

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Crabtree went to the 49ers, are the Raiders a bunch of stupid asses or what?

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lol @ the Bucs drafting the QB everyone is predicting to be a bust in the NFL.....

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sek69 wrote: lol @ the Bucs drafting the QB everyone is predicting to be a bust in the NFL.....

and they moved up to do it

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We got a ticker?

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Florida WR Percy Harvin going to Minnesota is an interesting pick, since the Vikes vowed a few years ago to clean up their team image after the boat incident. 

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So Moreno ended up being the no. one RB taken. I'll be interested to see where Iowa's Greene lands. Should be a second rounder.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: So Moreno ended up being the no. one RB taken. I'll be interested to see where Iowa's Greene lands. Should be a second rounder.

This was somewhat of a shocker.  I can see a possible run on RBs occurring in the 2nd round.  Greene, McCoy and Brown should go.

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North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks goes to the Giants with the 29th pick.

HBF, I like this pick.  The guy is like another Boldin and can take shots over the middle.

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Beanie Wells is ready to cry, because he has not been picked, yet.  The guy is injured too much.  What does he expect?  He may go to the Cardinals.  I would not take him.  The guy runs out of bounds and has big questions with his durability.

 

Watch him turn out to lead the NFL in rushing.  :shock:

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It looks like Wells will be going to the Cardinals.

Yep, they just made it official.

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Papa Voo wrote: North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks goes to the Giants with the 29th pick.

HBF, I like this pick.  The guy is like another Boldin and can take shots over the middle.
I hope so. I truly hoped they traded for Boldin or Edwards with this pick so I hope he's a productive player. 
Maybe they'll trade 2 or 3 picks and still pull it off.  That would be awesome.

Why the fuck is Rey Malamengua (sp) still on the board thru the 1st round?

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Papa Voo wrote: North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks goes to the Giants with the 29th pick.

HBF, I like this pick.  The guy is like another Boldin and can take shots over the middle.

He's Mike Williams Part 2

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LAF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: North Carolina WR Hakeem Nicks goes to the Giants with the 29th pick.

HBF, I like this pick.  The guy is like another Boldin and can take shots over the middle.

He's Mike Williams Part 2

Well, they are saying self-discipline is going to be the factor with Nicks.  If he keeps weight down, he can be a great possession receiver.  If he puts on weight, then he can turn into a turd, but he got pretty good ratings across the board.  He could be viewed as sort of a reach by the Giants for the First Round.

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That's exactly why I see Mike Williams in him. You have an already slow possession receiver weighing too much.

The Bills draft isn't an F so far, but it also doesn't make a great deal of sense either. Have they drafted 2 guys in order to have them learn new positions in the NFL? I think Maybin will be a complete bust unless he learns to play OLB. Wood is good, but they just signed a Center in free agency. So is he moving to LG? If they were going to do this, I would have rather them just package the picks and get Mark Sanchez since QB is their biggest need.

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Wood should stay at center.

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The Bills now waste ANOTHER high draft choice on a defensive back. I guess the thinking is that if you pick one or two every single year, one of them might make it. Donte Whitner, Ashton Youboty, Ko Simpson, Leodis McKelvin have all sucked.

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I don't know, LAF...

I am liking the draft picks of the Bills.

Maybin, Wood and Jairus Byrd. 

I know the Steelers were high on both Wood and Byrd.

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I could live with Byrd if:

 A) They really needed a CB and

B) Didn't use a ton of draft picks on them in the last 3 years.

I'm also forgetting Reggie Corner, an ironically named CB they took in the 4th round last year and looked good. I just don't get why they need all these DBs at such high spots when you have so many needs.

Again, if Maybin is going to OLB....why not just draft Cushing, an actual OLB? When you suck, why are you drafting projects? They can't possibly play Maybin at DE in the NFL, can they?

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Who is this LB the Giants drafted, in what I think is a serious reach?

And Braylon or Boldin weren't deemed to be worth a few picks?:X

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The Lions don't address either of their biggest needs (OL/DL with their first three picks. Fucking geniuses.

Meanwhile I'm reading an article about Red Wings defenseman Jonathan Ericsson who is coming up big in the playoffs despite being the last player taken in the whole fucking draft. (#291)

The front offices of these two teams should be the fucking handbook on how to and how not to build a franchise.

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LAF wrote: I could live with Byrd if:

 A) They really needed a CB and

B) Didn't use a ton of draft picks on them in the last 3 years.

I'm also forgetting Reggie Corner, an ironically named CB they took in the 4th round last year and looked good. I just don't get why they need all these DBs at such high spots when you have so many needs.

Again, if Maybin is going to OLB....why not just draft Cushing, an actual OLB? When you suck, why are you drafting projects? They can't possibly play Maybin at DE in the NFL, can they?

Maybin will probably be a LB.  Buffalo is running the 3-4 correct?   I think he will do well if he needs to transition into a LB.  It usually takes one season.  Both Woodley and Timmons were DEs in college and they have transitioned nicely for the Steelers.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: The Lions don't address either of their biggest needs (OL/DL with their first three picks. Fucking geniuses.

Meanwhile I'm reading an article about Red Wings defenseman Jonathan Ericsson who is coming up big in the playoffs despite being the last player taken in the whole fucking draft. (#291)

The front offices of these two teams should be the fucking handbook on how to and how not to build a franchise.

Delmas is a good football player, but I think he was a reach.  There were stil some very good players out there.  I didn't get that pick.

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If it means anything Sin, I saw Delmas play in person last year for Western Michigan. He was a beast.

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Papa Voo wrote: Buffalo is running the 3-4 correct?  


They run a retarded version of the Tampa 2 4-3

There's a difference between the Steelers (a well-run team) switching guys to different spots and the Bills (a clueless team) doing it. They're better off just doing the most basic thing possible.

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Buffalo just traded with Dallas.  They are going to pick, again, in round 2.

OG Andy Levitre.

Hey, I think they are making some good picks and addressing needs from the sounds of it. 

There is no QB to get.  This is a bad year for QBs.

 

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Ok, so where is Hangartner playing then? They signed this free agent from Carolina, talked this guy up like he was going to be a Pro Bowl Center, and then they draft a Center and a Guard in the first 2 rounds? Who is going to play Right Tackle? They have a reject from Cleveland named Kirk Chambers who sucks and then a project they took in Round 7 last year.

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Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

Wooh!

This is going to be interesting.

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Papa Voo wrote: There is no QB to get.  This is a bad year for QBs.

Well, they need someone if they plan on doing anything besides going 7-9 again. Signing Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't going to cut it. We know what Edwards is.

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LAF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: There is no QB to get.  This is a bad year for QBs.

Well, they need someone if they plan on doing anything besides going 7-9 again. Signing Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't going to cut it. We know what Edwards is.

Yeah, there are not too many out there.  I do not know how bad Edwards is, but they could have went with a journeyman type for this year.  This was a bad class.  You may have ended up with another Losman.

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LAF wrote:
If it means anything Sin, I saw Delmas play in person last year for Western Michigan. He was a beast.

Go Broncos!!! I've got a little WMU blood in me. Well I took one class there... off campus, so take that for what it's worth.

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Papa Voo wrote: I do not know how bad Edwards is, but they could have went with a journeyman type for this year. 

He's basically Ryan Fitzpatrick. I would have rather seen the Bills sign Byron Leftwich to give them an actual option when Edwards fails/suffers yet another injury.

In the end though, as it usually boils down to, the Bills' biggest weaknesses are not the players on the field, but the coaching staff and the front office.

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What did the Bucs trade to move up?

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I cannot believe that Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech is still on the board at this stage. 
And Ayres (the Tennessee LB/DE) is awesome.  He's the single best defensive player I saw in the SEC this season and that includes the Alabama NT.

Eagles-I like Maclin a lot.  That was a great pick.  McCoy is a change of pace guy but not a full-time back.

Broncos-I hate that Knowshon went to that smug punk McDaniels. I wish Knowshon the best, but hope McDaniels finishes in last place and looks like the turd he is.  I have a feeling that having Moreno will prevent that from happening.  He's a special player.

Lions-why they offered Stafford crazy money (30% more than they needed to get a deal done) shows why the Ford heirs are just heirs, not business leaders.  And that they took Petigrew (top TE in draft) instead of somebody to fix that all-time worst DEFENSE is retarded.  However, this is Detroit.

Titans-why do I think that the Giants blew it by not taking Britt when he'd have preferred to play in NJ?

Falcons-I think that William Moore will be a good player for them in the secondary.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: What did the Bucs trade to move up?

  • The Browns traded down two spots with Tampa Bay, which also sent Cleveland a sixth-round pick (No. 191)
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    Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.

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    The Bills are saying that they project Byrd as a Safety, which makes a lot more sense than as a CB.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.


    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

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    Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.

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    Papa Voo wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.


    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

    everybody's draft board is different. Bey was probably their top rated WR and they were probably afraid that someone else would trade-up to get him. if you like a player, grab them.  i know several teams wanted to trade up to get him in the middle of the 1st round if he was still there.

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    HBF wrote: Who is this LB the Giants drafted, in what I think is a serious reach?

    And Braylon or Boldin weren't deemed to be worth a few picks?:X

    i don't think it was the picks. teams are afraid of the economy getting even worse next year. Boldin wanted 5yrs/50 mil with his new deal. no one is going to pay that kind of coin right now for a receiver that's injury prone. i don't think that Edwards was ever on the trading block, unless someone really overpaid for him.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.


    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

    everybody's draft board is different. Bey was probably their top rated WR and they were probably afraid that someone else would trade-up to get him. if you like a player, grab them.  i know several teams wanted to trade up to get him in the middle of the 1st round if he was still there.


    I have not heard one thing about teams moving up to try and get him.  he has a lot of question marks.  In fact, his stock was decreasing over the last week.  He is a project, and he has not shown the best hands.  He is all about speed.

    That was probably the worst pick and reach in the draft thus far.

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    Papa Voo wrote:

    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

    That has Al Davis' fingerprints all over it. He has been trying to replace Cliff Branch for a long time now.

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    beejmi wrote: Papa Voo wrote:

    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

    That has Al Davis' fingerprints all over it. He has been trying to replace Cliff Branch for a long time now.

    Believe it or not, that is what is being said on the networks.

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    beejmi wrote: Papa Voo wrote:

    What?

    Even if you had doubt about Crabtree, Heyward-Bey was nowhere near the Top 10.

    That has Al Davis' fingerprints all over it. He has been trying to replace Cliff Branch for a long time now.
    This was the ????????? pick of the first round.  I love Al Davis, as he gives the rest of us the players who are good to actually draft, even though he has first shot at them.

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    LOL was out all night and heard the pick with the assumotive reasoning being how fast the guy was but that he wasn't projected that high. One of these times Al is going to hit one right though.

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    Geez, if you're a speed freak you'd probably lean towards Harvin, as the whole FL offense was geared towards him and built on speed (as all spread offenses are).  That Bey pick made me laugh out loud when I heard it.

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    The Ultimate Sin wrote: The Lions don't address either of their biggest needs (OL/DL with their first three picks. Fucking geniuses.


    Matt Millen still in a consulting role no doubt.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.
    same here. I like the pick. And I did NOT like Crabtree...between that foot and his character, thank god the Raiders stayed away from him.

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    The Bey pick may not have been bad, but at that position, it really shocked alot of people.  Bey may turn out to be very good, but from everything I heard, it was not like the phones were ringing to move up to the Top 10 to draft this guy. 

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    What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

     

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    beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

     
    Having watched every game he played for UGA, he's the best back to come out of this draft and he'll be highlight-reel fodder for as long as he plays/doesn't get hurt.   He's better than everybody on the depth chart currently.

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    beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

     


    All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

    Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.

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    Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

     


    All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

    Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.
    You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
    He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

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    Married Jo wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
    they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.
    same here. I like the pick. And I did NOT like Crabtree...between that foot and his character, thank god the Raiders stayed away from him.



    The Raiders pick of WR Bey and  S Mitchell were the worst picks on day one.  Bey will be no better than a kick returner.

    They were second to last in rush defense and didn't address the position. Their offense will never get on the field. Tom Cable will be fired after next season.

    Crabtree may or may not have character problems but once he hits San Francisco he will change otherwise mike Singletary will snap his neck.

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    HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

     


    All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

    Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.
    You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
    He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

    He may need to score a ton of TDs, because Denver will be giving up alot of points.  Once again, I do not think the issue here is a knock against Moreno as much as it is a knock against a team that had much greater needs on the other side of the ball.

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    HBF wrote:
    You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
    He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?


    I see him sort of like Brian Westbrook. He can catch, he can hit the gaps, very athletic. He's non-stop. You tackle him, he bounces right back up.

    I think he's the type to make his teammates better because his enthusiasm is infectious.

    I attended the UGA-Central Michigan game last year. The weather was unbearably hot and my seat was in the shade. I left at the end of the third quarter. As I'm walking outside the stadium, the crowd let off a thunderous roar.

    What was it? Moreno. Hurdling a defender.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtszXrC0R0

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    Knowing we need O Linemen( and just about everything else) why the fuck did we take some no named safety w/the 33rd pick? I was left scratching my head with that one.

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    HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

    Emmit was only a ss rb because of the 5-6 por bowl O linemen that blocked for him, and the pro bowl tight end/and fullback that did as well. I think Emmit get's too much credit and far too much overhype for being just a good back, which is exactly what he is, a good back. If Emmit were on say, the Atlanta Falcons during the majority of his career, would he have put up those #'s? I highly doubt it. The guy is way overrated IMHO.

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    stingmark wrote: HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

    Emmit was only a ss rb because of the 5-6 por bowl O linemen that blocked for him, and the pro bowl tight end/and fullback that did as well. I think Emmit get's too much credit and far too much overhype for being just a good back, which is exactly what he is, a good back. If Emmit were on say, the Atlanta Falcons during the majority of his career, would he have put up those #'s? I highly doubt it. The guy is way overrated IMHO.

    I can sort of agree on that.  He was a product of the line in front of him, but that is part of football.  I do think he is overrated at times when it comes to comparisons between him and other RBs.

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    Emmitt's production was due to heart.  I will never forget how he single-handedly beat my Giants in 1993 to wrap up the NFC East.  That was what separated him.

    I'd say that there were at least 25 backs in league history who were better athletically, but they didn't set the records.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

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    Well day two is underway. I'm not going anywhere because there is a chance the Oakland Raiders might select me today as an under-the-radar mid-rounder.

    Someone let Claw know that if they hear the words "The Oakland Raiders select beejmi" that I'm out of here.

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    Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.


    McCoy has some question marks around him.  He is sometimes described as a lesser-version of Reggie Bush type which could limit him.  I think Philly will find ways fro him to get the ball, but he HAS to improve holding on to the ball.  He has fumbled the ball at key times during games.

    Maclin also has some questions, but I think he can improve with good coaching.

    Overall, the Eagles made the picks they needed, now we have to see if these players pan out. 

    I think both can be solid players, but I am not sure if they are superstars.

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    beejmi wrote: Well day two is underway. I'm not going anywhere because there is a chance the Oakland Raiders might select me today as an under-the-radar mid-rounder.

    Someone let Claw know that if they hear the words "The Oakland Raiders select beejmi" that I'm out of here.

    Ha!  This would not surprise me at all.  Can you imagine being a fan of this team and watching how Al and his boys run the operations?  It seriously seems to be getting worse.  Al is looney, but it cannot all fall on him.  There has to be other incompetent people directing these things.  Then again, Al probably fires people on a whim, so yeah, he is probably the biggest problem.

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    Send Crable and Davis a message that he's our own Syd Finch: a 40-something year old guy from Philly who ran a 3.95 40 and can walk through walls.

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    stingmark wrote: HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
    Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

    Emmit was only a ss rb because of the 5-6 por bowl O linemen that blocked for him, and the pro bowl tight end/and fullback that did as well. I think Emmit get's too much credit and far too much overhype for being just a good back, which is exactly what he is, a good back. If Emmit were on say, the Atlanta Falcons during the majority of his career, would he have put up those #'s? I highly doubt it. The guy is way overrated IMHO.

    100% correct on the assessment of Emmitt Smith. he should have thanked his Lineman & Moose Johnston for his career.

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    Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

    ESPN have a bunch of overrated retards running their draft coverage. i watched the NFL network and Mike Maylock & company. i don't think that the Cards really wanted to trade Boldin, as it seemed like any offer would ever be good enough.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

    ESPN have a bunch of overrated retards running their draft coverage. i watched the NFL network and Mike Maylock & company. i don't think that the Cards really wanted to trade Boldin, as it seemed like any offer would ever be good enough.
    Me too. I liked the opinions of Gruden and Mariucci along with guys like Marshall Faulk as opposed to the yell fest at ESPN. 

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    Three Hawkeyes taken on the second day so far. I don't get why the Jets wanted Greene when they have Jones and Washington. Granted, he's bigger than those guys. I guess they're just shoring up in case Jones goes downhill? I thought Greene would've been a great counterpart to Westbrook in Philly.

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    HBF wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

    ESPN have a bunch of overrated retards running their draft coverage. i watched the NFL network and Mike Maylock & company. i don't think that the Cards really wanted to trade Boldin, as it seemed like any offer would ever be good enough.
    Me too. I liked the opinions of Gruden and Mariucci along with guys like Marshall Faulk as opposed to the yell fest at ESPN. 

    totally agree with you, HBF.  i think that Mariucci & Jamie Dukes are the best analysis on football that there is right now on T.V.  Mariucci has found his calling in life.:tongue:

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    Kid_Naitch wrote: Three Hawkeyes taken on the second day so far. I don't get why the Jets wanted Greene when they have Jones and Washington. Granted, he's bigger than those guys. I guess they're just shoring up in case Jones goes downhill? I thought Greene would've been a great counterpart to Westbrook in Philly.

    Jones has been in the league for 8 years now. i think that the Jets saw good value in Greene and drafted for the future.  i liked Greene as well, especially since he's from S.Jersey.

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    HBF wrote:
    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

    ESPN have a bunch of overrated retards running their draft coverage. i watched the NFL network and Mike Maylock & company. i don't think that the Cards really wanted to trade Boldin, as it seemed like any offer would ever be good enough.
    Me too. I liked the opinions of Gruden and Mariucci along with guys like Marshall Faulk as opposed to the yell fest at ESPN. 



    ESPN's coverage is horrible, but Cris Carter had a nice verbal beatdown of the Raiders.

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    Hammer to Fall wrote: HBF wrote:
    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

    Wooh!

    This is going to be interesting.

    Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


    Free,

    I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

    As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

    ESPN have a bunch of overrated retards running their draft coverage. i watched the NFL network and Mike Maylock & company. i don't think that the Cards really wanted to trade Boldin, as it seemed like any offer would ever be good enough.
    Me too. I liked the opinions of Gruden and Mariucci along with guys like Marshall Faulk as opposed to the yell fest at ESPN. 



    ESPN's coverage is horrible, but Cris Carter had a nice verbal beatdown of the Raiders.

     

    I liked ESPN's coverage this year compared to the past several years, especially when they had that piece of shit Michael Irvin doing commentary.  Gruden comes off smug, and Mariucci seems to find everything funny. 

    I switched to ESPN yesterday.

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    ESPN TV is bad for the brain. Only their website is bearable.

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    The Bills will be running the 0-0-11 defense this season with all these DBs they keep drafting.

    I didn't think that McCoy was that much better of a RB than his Pitt teammate Stephens-Howling. The latter was drafted by Arizona in the 7th round.

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    What is the big deal if Raiders took Bey over Crabtreee, nobody knows how these players will be, i remember the Texans were laughed at for not drafting  Bush or Young and look how that turned out, their draft pick is better than both. I pick the draft winners and losers in january not one neither has played a single NFL down

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    People are laughing at the Raiders pick because they skipped who everyone agrees is the can't miss WR of the draft for another Oakland special all-speed-no-route guy like they always do.

    Yes, there's a chance Crabtree will bust and the Raiders will look like the smartest guys in the room, but based on roughly the last 10 years of Raider history at least it's a better bet that Bey will end up a #2 or 3 WR at most.

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    sek69 wrote: People are laughing at the Raiders pick because they skipped who everyone agrees is the can't miss WR of the draft for another Oakland special all-speed-no-route guy like they always do.

    Yes, there's a chance Crabtree will bust and the Raiders will look like the smartest guys in the room, but based on roughly the last 10 years of Raider history at least it's a better bet that Bey will end up a #2 or 3 WR at most.
    Well-stated.
    Jamarcus Russell, Robert Gallery, and Darren Mcfadden come to mind as "awesome draft picks", while their "free agent radar" has been "outstanding".

    Back to my Giants:  I like the 6'6 guy they drafted without ever seeing him play.  He can catch that corner post that was so hard to defend when they had Burress.  This seems to be a great pick.

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    I never liked USC, but thanks to ESPN I want Sanchez to fail worse than anyone in history*. He got way more attention than Stafford and Stafford was the top pick going to the first 0-16 team in NFL history.

    I'm not surprised that all ESPN cared about were the Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys but it still sickening.

    I was hoping the Falcons would get Captain Munnerlyn. When he's healthy, he's a beast.

    The Bengals were supposed to be cleaning up their locker room, but their first three picks were on guys that had question marks regarding work ethic.

    If Percy Harvin doesn't get completely beat up by opposing defenses, he'll do something stupid within two years.

    * Until next year when Tim Tebow is out there.

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    Hammer to Fall wrote: * Until next year when Tim Tebow is out there.
    And you know that Erin Andrews will be in a special room somewhere with him ala the stupid Quan Cosby segments.

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    LAF wrote: Hammer to Fall wrote: * Until next year when Tim Tebow is out there.
    And you know that Erin Andrews will be in a special room somewhere with him ala the stupid Quan Cosby segments.

    I'm with you, Hammer. 

    I do like the Bengals picks more than anybody's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.  I believe they got the best LB and the best DE in the draft in those two rounds.  We'll see how it pans out.........

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    HBF wrote: sek69 wrote: People are laughing at the Raiders pick because they skipped who everyone agrees is the can't miss WR of the draft for another Oakland special all-speed-no-route guy like they always do.

    Yes, there's a chance Crabtree will bust and the Raiders will look like the smartest guys in the room, but based on roughly the last 10 years of Raider history at least it's a better bet that Bey will end up a #2 or 3 WR at most.
    Well-stated.
    Jamarcus Russell, Robert Gallery, and Darren Mcfadden come to mind as "awesome draft picks", while their "free agent radar" has been "outstanding".

    Back to my Giants:  I like the 6'6 guy they drafted without ever seeing him play.  He can catch that corner post that was so hard to defend when they had Burress.  This seems to be a great pick.


    here is what the WWL says about Barden:

    Barden possess rare size for the WR position (6-foot-6, 229 pounds). He also has adequate speed considering his size. The thing we like most about him is his body control and his ability to go up and high-point the football. However, we have some slight concerns about his ability to get separation because he struggles to stay low coming out of his breaks. Complete analysis

    sounds like that he will strictly be a Red Zone guy for the first year or two.

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    LAF wrote: Hammer to Fall wrote: * Until next year when Tim Tebow is out there.
    And you know that Erin Andrews will be in a special room somewhere with him ala the stupid Quan Cosby segments.

    i guess with Pat White going to Miami in the 2nd round, Tebow could go in the late 1st next year, especially to somebody that runs the Wildcat.

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    HBF wrote: sek69 wrote: People are laughing at the Raiders pick because they skipped who everyone agrees is the can't miss WR of the draft for another Oakland special all-speed-no-route guy like they always do.

    Yes, there's a chance Crabtree will bust and the Raiders will look like the smartest guys in the room, but based on roughly the last 10 years of Raider history at least it's a better bet that Bey will end up a #2 or 3 WR at most.
    Well-stated.
    Jamarcus Russell, Robert Gallery, and Darren Mcfadden come to mind as "awesome draft picks", while their "free agent radar" has been "outstanding".

    Back to my Giants:  I like the 6'6 guy they drafted without ever seeing him play.  He can catch that corner post that was so hard to defend when they had Burress.  This seems to be a great pick.

    i think that McFadden will be alright with the Raiders. he's gonna be a good back in the league.

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    here is the Eagles draft:





    NFL Team: Philadelphia Eagles 2009 Picks

    RD
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    NAME
    POS
    SCHOOL

    1
    19(19)
    Jeremy Maclin
    WR
    Missouri

     
    from Tampa Bay through Cleveland

     
    Maclin is a big-play threat both as a wideout and a return man. He reaches his exceptional top-end speed quickly and is an instinctive open-field runner who reads defenses as well as his blocks well. Maclin has to improve his route running and ability to get off the line working against press coverage, but his quick feet suggest he's capable of improving in both areas. Video | Complete analysis

    2
    21(53)
    LeSean McCoy
    RB
    Pittsburgh

     
    McCoy has a natural skill to make people miss in the open field that cannot be taught. Although he has some tweaking to do as far as vision and staying north and south, he brings outstanding versatility in the pass game and can be very effective touching the ball 10 to 15 times a game. Complete analysis

    5
    17(153)
    Cornelius Ingram
    TE
    Florida

     
    from New York Jets

     
    Ingram brings excellent athleticism and fluidity. He's a smooth route-runner who can be a mismatch when lined up against most Sam linebackers. He needs major improvement as a run-blocker.

    5
    21(157)
    Victor Harris
    CB
    Virginia Tech

     
    Harris does an excellent job of reading the quarterback's eyes, which allows him to get a quick break on the ball. He's also one of the elite defensive backs in terms of ball skills in this year's class. However, lack of fluidity and inconsistent footwork may cause him to move to safety at the NFL level.

    5
    23(159)
    Fenuki Tupou
    OT
    Oregon

     
    from New England

     
    Tupou has excellent size and brute strength. He also brings an aggressive attitude with his play. However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes.

    6
    21(194)
    Brandon Gibson
    WR
    Washington State

     
    Gibson is more a straight-line WR with deceiving top-end speed to stretch the field. He also possesses above-average ball skills. However, we have concerns about his ability to get in and out of his breaks smoothly and create adequate separation.

    7
    4(213)
    Paul Fanaika
    OG
    Arizona State

     
    from Seattle

     
    Fanaika lacks overall agility. He possesses good upper-body strength with the ability to deliver a violent initial punch.

    7
    21(230)
    Moise Fokou
    OLB
    Maryland

     
    Fokou possesses excellent range and is a strong open-field tackler. However, he's more of a straight-line guy who has some tightness in his hips.

    i absolutely love the first 4 picks that they made. i think that Ingram could be a steal if his knee holds up. in the past 2 years, Fat Andy has drafted alot of speed in the Draft.

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    krazykid18 wrote: What is the big deal if Raiders took Bey over Crabtreee, nobody knows how these players will be, i remember the Texans were laughed at for not drafting  Bush or Young and look how that turned out, their draft pick is better than both. I pick the draft winners and losers in january not one neither has played a single NFL down

    your right. people are acting that he was a projected 3rd or 4th round pick the way people are acting. he was the 25th player rated overall by ESPN and the 4th overall Receiver. they got the player that they wanted at 7, instead of trading down and possibly not getting him.

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    freebirdsforever2001 wrote: krazykid18 wrote: What is the big deal if Raiders took Bey over Crabtreee, nobody knows how these players will be, i remember the Texans were laughed at for not drafting  Bush or Young and look how that turned out, their draft pick is better than both. I pick the draft winners and losers in january not one neither has played a single NFL down

    your right. people are acting that he was a projected 3rd or 4th round pick the way people are acting. he was the 25th player rated overall by ESPN and the 4th overall Receiver. they got the player that they wanted at 7, instead of trading down and possibly not getting him.

     

    And that is a horseshit way of drafting. 

    I am sure there are fans out there very glad that their NFL team does not run things that way.

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    The Raiders' picks are getting universally clowned because they are still drafting to compete in the 70s AFL with the wide open offenses instead of today's game.

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    Hammer to Fall wrote: I never liked USC, but thanks to ESPN I want Sanchez to fail worse than anyone in history*. He got way more attention than Stafford and Stafford was the top pick going to the first 0-16 team in NFL history.

    I'm not surprised that all ESPN cared about were the Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys but it still sickening.

    I was hoping the Falcons would get Captain Munnerlyn. When he's healthy, he's a beast.

    The Bengals were supposed to be cleaning up their locker room, but their first three picks were on guys that had question marks regarding work ethic.

    If Percy Harvin doesn't get completely beat up by opposing defenses, he'll do something stupid within two years.

    * Until next year when Tim Tebow is out there.
    You have to think, if the Lions were high on Sanchez, they wouldve taken him instead of Stafford. Stafford kinda got an "Oh yeah, the Lions drafted Matt Stafford big deal" type of response from ESPN, when they were practically licking Sanchez's ass the entire day 1. I think he'll be ok...but not the second coming of jesus for fucks sake.

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    I feel bad that Drew Willy wasn't drafted by anyone. Was really hoping he'd get an opportunity. How do you feel about that LAF?

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    foolio wrote: I feel bad that Drew Willy wasn't drafted by anyone. Was really hoping he'd get an opportunity. How do you feel about that LAF?

    Once you get down below the 6th round, I think it is just as fine to go undrafted and have a chance to field invites to camp, than it would be to have a team grab the same guy on a lark and cut him after the 3rd preseason game. Willy will get offers to come to camp, and it may work out that he finds a better fit this way.

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    To finalize my weekend with the NFL Draft 2009:

     

    Best picks

    Buffalo (Sorry LAF, I thought they did good) - They loaded up on the defense. Defense will win you games.

    Green Bay - Raji, Matthews and Lang were all quality picks.

    Detroit - They could have done better with their second pick, but it least their selections made sense this year and seem to be planting a seed for the future.

     

    Worst picks

    Oakland - What else can be said?  This is turning into the new Detroit Lions when it comes to drafting.  Absolutely horrendous.

    Tampa Bay - Reaching for Josh freeman was pathetic.

    Kansas City - They reached in the first round.  If you add in Cassel then it is not that bad.

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    foolio wrote: I feel bad that Drew Willy wasn't drafted by anyone. Was really hoping he'd get an opportunity. How do you feel about that LAF?

    He'll be a perfect #2 QB for someone down the line. He signed with the Ravens after the draft. That said, he's better than any of the Bills' QBs.

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    Papa Voo wrote: Buffalo (Sorry LAF, I thought they did good) - They loaded up on the defense. Defense will win you games.

    I think you mean they loaded up on offensive guards. Their top 3 defensive choices are all changing positions. Actually, most of their picks are going to play new positions.

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    LAF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Buffalo (Sorry LAF, I thought they did good) - They loaded up on the defense. Defense will win you games.

    I think you mean they loaded up on offensive guards. Their top 3 defensive choices are all changing positions. Actually, most of their picks are going to play new positions.

    I did hear today that Byrd is being usited for the safety position, since is accustomed to zone coverage.  This may be a big plus for Bills.  Alot of transitions in the past have turned out to be bug successes.

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    USA Today gave the Bills an A- for their draft. Pete Prisco from CSB Sportsline gave the Bills a B-. Rob Rang from NFLDraftScout.com gave the Bills a B. And I can't find the link on ESPN.com right now, but if I remember right, they gave the Bills either an A or a B.

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    foolio wrote: USA Today gave the Bills an A- for their draft. Pete Prisco from CSB Sportsline gave the Bills a B-. Rob Rang from NFLDraftScout.com gave the Bills a B. And I can't find the link on ESPN.com right now, but if I remember right, they gave the Bills either an A or a B.

    Looking at the grades looks like The Eagles and The Titans got F's.

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    Benlen wrote: foolio wrote: USA Today gave the Bills an A- for their draft. Pete Prisco from CSB Sportsline gave the Bills a B-. Rob Rang from NFLDraftScout.com gave the Bills a B. And I can't find the link on ESPN.com right now, but if I remember right, they gave the Bills either an A or a B.

    Looking at the grades looks like The Eagles and The Titans got F's.

    everybody in philly is giving the Eagles A's for the draft. Ingram could be the steal of the draft if his knee is healthy. i haven't seen anybody nationally anything less then a B+ so far.

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    This guy on Yahoo gave Philly a B-, but that is in line with most of the NFC, the guy only gave an "A" to the Packers.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Att1lyNr7NuFAyhC94Zz3to5nYcB?slug=cr-09nfcdraftgrades042709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

     

     

     

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    pjstef wrote: This guy on Yahoo gave Philly a B-, but that is in line with most of the NFC, the guy only gave an "A" to the Packers.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Att1lyNr7NuFAyhC94Zz3to5nYcB?slug=cr-09nfcdraftgrades042709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

     

     

     

    i trust HOF'er Ray Didinger more then some schmuck on Yahoo and he gave the Eagles an A & The Giants an A as well. he said that they had the best 2 NFC drafts this past weekend.

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    Enough time has passed that we know who was a star, who did okay, and who was a bust, so I bumped up the thread for all to take a look.

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    2009 Draft sucked for Niners. NOT ONE player they drafted is still with team.

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    Nice to see how we predicted things back then. I really bombed on my initial impression of Ramses Barden but called the rest of the picks pretty accurate.

    We all hated the Heyward Bey pick from the beginning. That was so obvious.
    Where is the Trent Richardson draft thread?

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    Papa Voo mentioned the Raiders flubbing by picking Darius Heyward-Bey with Michael Crabtree still on the board.  Well now the have Crabtree and no Bey.   Don't see Crabtree having much of an impact now but who knows.


    The Raiders are where they are because of picks like Louis Murphy, Slade Norris, et al and the New England Patriots are where they are for getting a player like Julian Edelman in the 7th round in 2009.



    Mr. Irrelevant PK Ryan Succop is still in the league and has carved out a decent career.



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