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LOS ANGELES — An openly gay teen was voted prom queen at Los Angeles' Fairfax High School in a campaign that began as a stunt but ended up spurring discussion on the campus about gender roles and teen popularity.

Sergio Garcia, 18, was crowned queen Saturday night at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.

"I feel invincible," Garcia said in his tiara and charcoal-gray tuxedo.

A few days earlier, he gave a speech that won over some cynics and led to an ovation and his unlikely victory.

"At one time, prom may have been a big popularity contest where the best-looking guy or girl were crowned king and queen. Things have changed and it's no longer just about who has the most friends or who wears the coolest clothes," Garcia told a gymnasium full of seniors. "I'm not your typical prom queen candidate. There's more to me than meets the eye."

Garcia assured the crowd he wouldn't wear a dress on prom night.

"I will be wearing a suit," he said. "But don't be fooled, deep down I am a queen."

The school, which sits at the end of the rows of chic shops on Melrose Avenue and was once attended by members of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, has long been a haven for students who would be considered outcasts at many schools.

Garcia said he saw fliers advertising the prom and the election, and they didn't specify that the queen must be a girl. He thought the role would suit him better than prom king.

"I don't wish to be a girl," he told the Los Angeles Times. said. "I just wish to be myself."

Senior class president Vanessa Lo said she and many other students were initially against the idea but were won over by Garcia's speech and became convinced he wasn't just an attention-seeking clown.

"It just goes to show how open-minded our class is," Lo said.

Seventeen-year-old Unique Payne called the speech "great" and said she voted for Garcia "because I support the gay community."

Other students weren't as happy, and suggested many voted for Garcia just to see the spectacle of two boys dancing together at the prom.

"I'm not really happy about that," said 17-year-old Juan Espinoza. "He should've run for prom king."

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Other students weren't as happy, and suggested many voted for Garcia just to see the spectacle of two boys dancing together at the prom.

See now that's the problem. The guy that was "king" gets screwed over by having to dance with a guy.

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beejmi wrote: Other students weren't as happy, and suggested many voted for Garcia just to see the spectacle of two boys dancing together at the prom.

See now that's the problem. The guy that was "king" gets screwed over by having to dance with a guy.

Yeah, because those awkward dances between prom king and queen were so special it's another thing ruined by TEH GAYZ~!


At least this kid has a funny prom story to tell unlike everyone else who's ever gone to a prom ever.



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Is it still cool to get the queen drunk and try to fuck her?  I am very confused by the new protocol. 

 

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sek69 wrote: beejmi wrote: Other students weren't as happy, and suggested many voted for Garcia just to see the spectacle of two boys dancing together at the prom.

See now that's the problem. The guy that was "king" gets screwed over by having to dance with a guy.

Yeah, because those awkward dances between prom king and queen were so special it's another thing ruined by TEH GAYZ~!


At least this kid has a funny prom story to tell unlike everyone else who's ever gone to a prom ever.

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beejmi wrote: Other students weren't as happy, and suggested many voted for Garcia just to see the spectacle of two boys dancing together at the prom.

See now that's the problem. The guy that was "king" gets screwed over by having to dance with a guy.

He wound up with a better chance of getting laid by the prom queen than he would've in any other scenario.



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"I will be wearing a suit," he said. "But don't be fooled, deep down I am a queen."


 

I pretty sure it's not that deep down. But seriously, who gives a shit? So he's gay and he's prom queen? Big deal, if the king isn't comfortable with it than let them dance with their respective dates and everybodys happy.



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victhestick wrote: "I will be wearing a suit," he said. "But don't be fooled, deep down I am a queen."


 

I pretty sure it's not that deep down. But seriously, who gives a shit? So he's gay and he's prom queen? Big deal, if the king isn't comfortable with it than let them dance with their respective dates and everybodys happy.

It sounds to me that no one at the school did have a problem with it.  Now that it's one of Yahoo's top 10 "news" stories though, I imagine people will politicize it and these kids will have their 15 minutes of fame.



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srossi wrote: victhestick wrote: "I will be wearing a suit," he said. "But don't be fooled, deep down I am a queen."


 

I pretty sure it's not that deep down. But seriously, who gives a shit? So he's gay and he's prom queen? Big deal, if the king isn't comfortable with it than let them dance with their respective dates and everybodys happy.

It sounds to me that no one at the school did have a problem with it.  Now that it's one of Yahoo's top 10 "news" stories though, I imagine people will politicize it and these kids will have their 15 minutes of fame.


It does seem like very few had a problem with it, so great. But if they did they are entitled to say so despite PC police.

One of the cable channels could have parlayed this into a reality show.

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I love when someone pulls the "PC" card to defend racists/bigots/homophobes.

Yes they have the right to be that way, but it's not "PC" to call them out on such behavior.



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sek69 wrote: I love when someone pulls the "PC" card to defend racists/bigots/homophobes.

Yes they have the right to be that way, but it's not "PC" to call them out on such behavior.


Who was behaving that way? Was I defending homophobes?

Some instantly bash those who have a different view than they do. I happen to agree with you on this prom thing - but I bet this viewpoint is in the minority nation-wide. Not everyone shares it. And those who don't are not all automatically disfunctional. The responses to these kinds of issues are subjective.

All I say is that you have to expect people to have differing views and express them. Nobody was being "a homophobe" or...a rascist? Where did that come from.

These topics are not so clean cut. There is no law about them. Why not leave room for discussion?  I don't care for the "fuck you if you don't like it" approach as if it is "case closed" and nobody else need speak.


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sek69 wrote: Yes they have the right to be that way, but it's not "PC" to call them out on such behavior.


An example of PC, as I see it, is when the president was asked a few months ago, "do you believe in gay marriage as a true legal union?" he says that he does not think a gay union is a true marriage in the sense of the word, but hedges around, and so on. This may not be what he really means, and surely some of his supporters think he means something else, but....you have to be PC.

Now I know he is the president and this is politics. But that kind of stuff is guarding against the PC police. Just say what you think. People can agree with it or not. Not speaking out of 2 sides of your mouth as if you are afraid someone who does not agree with you will be cross. If you think a gay marriage is a legal union then say "Yes!"

I am not talking about bigotry where those who act without respect to equality are violating the law and others' human rights. But belief in abortion...gay marriage being the same as hetero....I don't think the answer is black/white.

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pjstef wrote: sek69 wrote: I love when someone pulls the "PC" card to defend racists/bigots/homophobes.

Yes they have the right to be that way, but it's not "PC" to call them out on such behavior.


Who was behaving that way? Was I defending homophobes?

Some instantly bash those who have a different view than they do. I happen to agree with you on this prom thing - but I bet this viewpoint is in the minority nation-wide. Not everyone shares it. And those who don't are not all automatically disfunctional. The responses to these kinds of issues are subjective.

All I say is that you have to expect people to have differing views and express them. Nobody was being "a homophobe" or...a rascist? Where did that come from.

These topics are not so clean cut. There is no law about them. Why not leave room for discussion?  I don't care for the "fuck you if you don't like it" approach as if it is "case closed" and nobody else need speak.




You stated if someone had a problem with it, they'd run into the PC Police.


My reply was meant to state if someone has a problem with this they are probably a homophobe who deserves to have the so called PC Police call them on it.

Bringing up the President is a strawman because, as you even said, he's a politician and has to play both sides of the fence. There's people on both sides ready to jump on the slightest thing that comes out of his mouth so he has to do it that way.

My issue is that when I hear someone mention "PC", it's usually code for "people who don't let other people get away with being bigoted in some manner".  Talk radio and Fox News types have pretty much redefined it to that meaning, so that's the way I take it.


For the record, I never singled you or anyone else for being a homophobe, just the theoretical people who would have issues with this that you mentioned.




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sek69 wrote: You stated if someone had a problem with it, they'd run into the PC Police.


My reply was meant to state if someone has a problem with this they are probably a homophobe who deserves to have the so called PC Police call them on it.

Bringing up the President is a strawman because, as you even said, he's a politician and has to play both sides of the fence. There's people on both sides ready to jump on the slightest thing that comes out of his mouth so he has to do it that way.

My issue is that when I hear someone mention "PC", it's usually code for "people who don't let other people get away with being bigoted in some manner".  Talk radio and Fox News types have pretty much redefined it to that meaning, so that's the way I take it.


For the record, I never singled you or anyone else for being a homophobe, just the theoretical people who would have issues with this that you mentioned.





OK I see, point well taken.

Mine was that there are always going to be certain subjective matters such as homosexual legal union, or abortion, that I have a difficult time arguing with people whose opinion differs from mine, if they are reacting to their personal feeling. For instance, on abortion, if someone tells me they think it is wrong, they feel that you are killing life as they believe in it, then while that may not be my view, that view is valid.

I think sometimes there is a tendency to bash a valid opinion because it is not seen as progressive, or vice versa.

I agree with you that PC has been made out by talk radio as not being allowed to act "off color"...and it is true that you can say what you want, but off color is what it is...

I feel that sometimes PC restrains in that it tries to make all public opinion bland, easier for general consumption, even on issues where 2 sides can both be valid for different reasons.

And the president thing was a straw man-type bad example in that they have to ride the fence, and it does get tiring that so many lie in wait to pounce at whatever a president says one way or the other. However I think you saw what I meant by the hemming and hawing over issues that really do not have a purely correct answer.

I probably prefer the fence riding over the politician who will tell one person something different than the next on the same issue, based on what that person can do for them, or depending who is asking the question.

And then once a subjective issue gets policitized, the battle lines get drawn by those who follow the 2 parties 100% and feel obligated to argue in favor of, or defend, the party line.

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