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 Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 10:24 am
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"In the Beginning, Man Created God."


This provocative twist on the Bible’s opening line was plastered on the side of 25 Chicago buses this week as part of an advertising crusade by the Indiana Atheist Bus Campaign.


The ads have been cruising around downtown and the city’s North and South sides, including the No. 56 Milwaukee route, since the beginning of the week and will run through June.


"The intent of the campaign is to stimulate discussion of religion and its place in our society," said Charlie Sitzes, a spokesman for the Indiana group who crossed the state line to buy ad space. The slogan "You can be good without God" was rejected by transit authoritiesin Bloomington and stalled by officials in South Bend.


Indiana’s ACLU has sued the Bloomington Public Transportation Corporation on the atheist group’s behalf. Bloomington Mayor Mark Kruzan has denounced his own transit system, saying he does not condone government censorship.


In South Bend, the transit authority prevented the ads from being posted in time for President Barack Obama’s controversial commencement address at Notre Dame.
"It would appear that where there is more opposition to the message that maybe that would be the place where we needed dialogue more," Sitzes said, adding that the slogan is a simple fact.


"All non believers believe God is a creation of man," he said. "We used to have thousands of gods. Now we’re down to one. We’re getting closer to the true number."


Sitzes regrets that the ad drive – inspired by a similar campaign on 800 buses in Great Britain – has encountered so much opposition in his home state. Those ads sarcastically consoled passengers with the message: "There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."


The American Humanist Association launched its U.S. campaign in Washington in November, featuring a picture of a man in a Santa suit asking: "Why believe in a god? Just be good for goodness’ sake."


"[Chicago’s] slogan makes the point that religion is a social, man-made creation--like literature, art, politics, and science--and as such, it should be subject to debate like everything else," Sitzes said. "Atheists, agnostics and secular humanists have a unique perspective on the topic that usually gets ignored in public discussion, and we’d like to make ourselves heard."


The campaign is funded by prviate donations of more than $10,000.


"The ads aren’t an attack on religious people," Sitzes insisted, "but an affirmation of a different point of view."

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Comes down to a simple thing. Are religious organizations allowed to advertise on the sides of buses? If so, then I'm all for my atheist brethren. If they however DON'T accept that kind of advertising, then the atheist stuff shouldn't be there either.



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Im probably not educated enough on the topic to comment fully but I'll just give you my knee-jerk reaction to it and feel free to poke holes in it.

It's interesting that the "atheist" community feels the need to "get their message out there" and by doing so are kinda sorta becoming a religion themselves.

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Beej, you're "knee-jerk" reaction is pretty much right on the money. Atheism is a belief system in and of itself. You can choose to "believe" in Jesus, Allah, Buddha, etc. Or you can "believe" that there is no higher power pulling all the strings. To be an atheist you have to have at least a working knowledge of religion and God or else you couldn't make an informed decision. An atheists faith is based on his lack of faith.



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WongLee wrote: Comes down to a simple thing. Are religious organizations allowed to advertise on the sides of buses? If so, then I'm all for my atheist brethren. If they however DON'T accept that kind of advertising, then the atheist stuff shouldn't be there either.
Agreed.  I can tell you that on NY trains I see religious advertisements all the time.  So if it's the same there, I don't want to hear shit.



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 Posted: Thu Jun 4th, 2009 11:40 am
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WongLee wrote:
Beej, you're "knee-jerk" reaction is pretty much right on the money. Atheism is a belief system in and of itself. You can choose to "believe" in Jesus, Allah, Buddha, etc. Or you can "believe" that there is no higher power pulling all the strings. To be an atheist you have to have at least a working knowledge of religion and God or else you couldn't make an informed decision. An atheists faith is based on his lack of faith.

An atheist would inevitably reply that it is incumbent on those who assert God to prove God's existence, in the absence of any tangible evidence. So the "belief in God" position and the "belief there is no God" position are not essentially equivalent. The "belief there is no God" position has the evidence (or, more precisely, the evidence of God-lacking-evidence) on its side. God--- at least the omnipotent, omniscient anthropomorphic supreme creator of all things--- has never manifest him/herself to real people in perceptible, demonstrable reality as such.

But this is why I think the agnostic position is ultimately the correct one. Agnosticism is not merely the passive reluctance to embrace a position either way. It is the proactive assertion of the unknowability of the fundamental nature of existence. The atheists are correct that there is no evidence of God. But there is plenty of evidence of existence itself. And how do you explain that, Mr. Atheist Smartypants?

The exact nature of existence itself is probably beyond our intellectual capacity to truly understand. Much like my income taxes are beyond the intellectual capacity of my cat. The agnostic acknowledges this and is therefore probably more correct than either the theists or the atheists.



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Atheists are usually pompous asses.  They're just as sure they're right as religious zealots are, and there's no eay either could possibly know for sure.  The Atheist motto is "An Agnostic is just an Atheist who hasn't thought that hard about it."  I told you they were pompous asses.  I think the opposite is actually true.  If you think that hard about it, you can't possibly come up with a definitive answer.  The harder you think, the more confused you get.  Anyone who is 100% sure that there's is no possible way there could be any higher power out there is just as deluded as a born-again Christian.  I've even heard Richard Dawkins toss around some wild ideas about various types of higher powers sparking life.



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On this one, srossi and I agree 1000%.



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I agree, too, though I like the idea of the bus advertisements just for the sake of snarkiness.



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I'm gonna be laughing when it's found out that God is an Inuit.

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Maybe I missed it, are the busses city owned? Otherwise the owner should be able to put what ever the fuck he feels on the side. No need to be equal. If Coke is paying the bills he doesn't have to put Pepsi on too.



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