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 Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 09:19 pm
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I could've sworn Vince Sr. gave into their demands (main event money regardless of their spot on the card since they were proven draws all over the country).  One of the reasons they were pissed off was that they made more money main eventing for Crockett than they did when main eventing WWWF cards with much bigger gates and it proved Vince was skimming.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 09:36 pm
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tamalie wrote: It was Ivan, Ladd, and Superstar Graham. I'd forgotten about the three of them holding up Vince the elder. They all came into the WWWF around the same time in the fall of 1975. Ivan and Ladd arrived from the collapsing IWA. Graham came from Texas. The hold up must have happened around the late spring or early summer of 1976, because that's when all three of them vanish from the WWWF results. It's also the beginning of the gap in Ivan's record. It sounds like Ivan working Indianapolis, and also Florida and St. Louis, was not in response to him working for the IWA, but rather for trying to squeeze the WWWF for more money and being shot down.

Correct.  Ivan gets a few dates mixed up-but he does go on at length about trying to run an outlaw promotion with Graham.  That came as a reaction to the "hold-up" of WWWF.

srossi wrote: Ivan Koloff has an autobiography?  Missed that one.


http://www.1wrestlinglegends.com/crowbarpress/koloff/index.html



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 Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 09:50 pm
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Bix wrote: I could've sworn Vince Sr. gave into their demands (main event money regardless of their spot on the card since they were proven draws all over the country).  One of the reasons they were pissed off was that they made more money main eventing for Crockett than they did when main eventing WWWF cards with much bigger gates and it proved Vince was skimming.

You are correct. I was mistaken. Vince did pay them and the peace was kept. However they all left the WWWF soon afterwards.

To expand on what HarryG mentioned, I checked an old thread at KM and found that Ivan and Graham tried to open up competition against the Los Angeles territory around August to October of 1976. Graham started working regularly in Florida not long afterwards. They may not have even gotten as far as running any shows.

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The WWA in some ways was a developmental territory. You had the long time babyfaces Dick The Bruiser, Wilbur Snyder, Moose Cholak and Sailor Art Thomas. Teams like the Blackjacks and The Valiant Brothers began teaming in the WWA facing different combinations of Bruiser, Snyder, Cholak and Thomas. The Crusher was brought in for big shows in Indianapolis to team with Bruiser. Chuck O'Connor aka Big John Studd got one of his first big pushes in the WWA. Bobby Heenan started in the WWA. He managed Baron Von Raschke, The Valiants and The Blackjacks among others. When Heenan left the WWA for the AWA, Bruiser and Snyder never could replace Bobby. They tried with Handsome Johnny Starr, Cashbox Jim Kent and later Major Duke George but none of the three was anything close to Heenan.

It's my opinion that the WWA went downhill after Heenan left during the summer of 1974. After that, it was hit and miss. Some WWA fans fondly remember Ox Baker and The Legionairres Sgt Jacques Goulet & Private Don Fargo at first and then later Goulet & Soldier LeBeouf. I thought those guys paled in comparison to the Valiants, Blackjacks, Von Raschke and Ernie Ladd. The Strangler (Guy Mitchell most of the time) and The Bounty Hunters David Novak and Jerry Novak were the top heels after Ox and the Legionairres.

Ivan Koloff coming to the WWA was a big plus. Koloff had a great feud with an aging Bruiser. The Valiants eventually came back for a bit and the unmasked Strangler Guy Mitchell became known as Gentleman Jerry Valiant. Perhaps the last big name villian to come to the WWA full time was King Kong Brody. He feuded with Dick The Bruiser over the name Bruiser.

Looking back I'm not sure if anything could have saved the WWA. Bruiser just got older and older as did Snyder, Cholak, Thomas and Pepper Gomez. Maybe they should have teamed Spike Huber with Steve Regal sooner. Still neither Regal nor Huber had the ability to carry a territory. Snyder's son Mike was a bust as was Bruiser's son Karl.



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I absolutely love old behind the scenes stories of smaller territories like this

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