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 Posted: Mon Nov 4th, 2013 05:02 pm
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They have changed directions changed talent and dropped angles just as they were getting over so many times I can't see how not blowing the whole thing up and starting over isn't the only way to go.  bring back the 5 sided ring or whatever it was, hire Colt Cabana and Steve Corino to be the commentators push younger guys, I'd sign some WWE rejects because just because their hollywood writers dodn't know what to do with them doesn't mean they don't have value.  Bring in a mxture of younger and older creative minds.  But people  with some sort of wrestling background.  start with bringing back Scott D"amore the best one they ever had.  No Russo, Bischoff, Hogan types .  Even then its a crap shoot but make it interesting and find guys who will work cheap.  Raid ROH on any young talent that looks like wrestlers not the midgets or 150 pound guys 



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I still wonder if there's an audience for women's wrestling amongst girls, a la joshi.  Even leaving that aside, some of TNA's best talents were the likes of Taylor Wilde, Sarita, Roxxi Laveaux and Hamada, and they were having some of the best matches, but they basically discarded them all.  Surely they could sign many of them back comparatively cheaply and push a strong women's division.  It would also be a clear difference to the WWE.



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I think TNA proved that if you build around women who can actually wrestle and have good matches, it can get over. WWE's Divas are a self fulfilling prophecy since they hire mainly Barbie dolls who can't wrestle, so no one gives a shit about them.

The tricky part is to get someone in charge who isn't stingmark-ian in their views on women to give them a chance.



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Who on earth, with even the slightest morsel of business sense, would ever invest a dime in something like this?

Unless it is Vince, for the tapes or something. Anyone else would be a complete moron to even consider it.

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TNA used to differentiate themselves with the X, women's, and tag divisions at a time when WWE didn't do anything with theirs.  That all clearly stopped under Hogan/Bischoff.  In the long run, does it matter?  No, because the ratings/buy rates haven't been effected by these types of booking decisions in the least, but it would be nice if they filled the gap and emphasized a different type pf product again.  They might even (gasp) develop a cult following and get an aura of cool surrounding them which could help them make a few more bucks.  Obviously they have bigger fish to fry than just a mere booking direction, there are kids running lemonade stands with more busines sense than these people, but if they ever do stabilize again financially, it would be nice if they went back in that direction.  Whether it really matters in any tangible way or not (and it doesn't), it still would be nice if you turned on TNA and saw something unique instead of a big flashing sign that says "BUSH LEAGUE VERSION OF WWE" for a change.  Just for pride if nothing else.     

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srossi wrote: TNA used to differentiate themselves with the X, women's, and tag divisions at a time when WWE didn't do anything with theirs.  That all clearly stopped under Hogan/Bischoff.  In the long run, does it matter?  No, because the ratings/buy rates haven't been effected by these types of booking decisions in the least, but it would be nice if they filled the gap and emphasized a different type pf product again.  They might even (gasp) develop a cult following and get an aura of cool surrounding them which could help them make a few more bucks.  Obviously they have bigger fish to fry than just a mere booking direction, there are kids running lemonade stands with more busines sense than these people, but if they ever do stabilize again financially, it would be nice if they went back in that direction.  Whether it really matters in any tangible way or not (and it doesn't), it still would be nice if you turned on TNA and saw something unique instead of a big flashing sign that says "BUSH LEAGUE VERSION OF WWE" for a change.  Just for pride if nothing else.     
100% agree.

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we all want to see something different but in th end how many of us will buy PPV's, buy T shirts pay for tickets to a live event? 



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Count Grog wrote: we all want to see something different but in th end how many of us will buy PPV's, buy T shirts pay for tickets to a live event? 
This...unfortunately.

I have taken my kids to multiple TNA events, including one free one at the Impact Zone.   And that's also part of the problem.  If you're not a diehard fan, AND you spent at least a week a year on vacation in Orlando (which a ton of people do), you would just wait and go to the Impact Zone since nothing ever happens at house shows anyway.  The only time I have ever bought any TNA merch was for my kids at the house shows we went to, and when they had the 5 t-shirts for $20 deal, I would get those for my kids also.  My kids loved the wrestling shirts no matter whose shirt it was, and I loved putting them in clothing that only cost me $20.  But we haven't gone to any house shows since December 2008/January 2009, the week before Hogan hit TV.

My cousin flew to Orlando a few times just for PPVs because his feeling was that it was cheaper to fly down from NY than it would be to buy a ticket to a WWE PPV and the wrestling was better.  He also in later years did the $99 fanfest that guaranteed you entrance, and he stayed at a friends' house so his only payment out was food, fanfest, and airfare.  As he was flying single, he'd go on the cheapest possible ticket he could get.  He was the exception, not the rule, but he also was getting into the PPV for free technically.  And he never bought any merch at all. 



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I have bought 1 TNA PPV and that was 2005.  I went to 1 live event but they comped my tickets and gave me a handfull of them.  Never bought any TNA merch.  I haven't watched more than 1 minute of their TV show in over a year



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We could always pool money together like they do on Crazy Max and buy the thing ourselves.



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sek69 wrote: I think TNA proved that if you build around women who can actually wrestle and have good matches, it can get over. WWE's Divas are a self fulfilling prophecy since they hire mainly Barbie dolls who can't wrestle, so no one gives a shit about them.

The tricky part is to get someone in charge who isn't stingmark-ian in their views on women to give them a chance.

Women's wrestling has been around for what 70 or 80 years, maybe longer.

It has never drawn a dime outside of Wendi Richter and Fabulous Moolah with much help from Cyndi Lauper, except for when it was marketed the way it was in the Attitude era.

The reason is simple.. Wrestling fans are predominantly men and they don't care to see two nice-looking ladies attempting to disfigure one another in the manner they want to see males do so.

Women's wrestling will never, I repeat never draw money for a national promotion when promoted as straight wrestling.

It has a niche market as a side item on the grand menu of wrestling, but it cannot be the main course of a big meal and be filling.




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I don't watch wrestling to see people disfigure each other.

It might also be said that women have never drawn because they've never been given the chance to draw. Your post did sound a little like those people at the turn of the 20th century who didn't think women ought to have the right to vote.


Unless TNA makes itself different in some appreciable way from WWE, there's no point to it existing.

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Famous Mortimer wrote: I don't watch wrestling to see people disfigure each other.

It might also be said that women have never drawn because they've never been given the chance to draw. Your post did sound a little like those people at the turn of the 20th century who didn't think women ought to have the right to vote.


Unless TNA makes itself different in some appreciable way from WWE, there's no point to it existing.


Never said women didn't have the right to do anything... Wrestle.. Vote... Whatever...

The fact remains that very few female athletic spectacles (though tennis is one) have equaled big bucks.

It all goes back to the demographic that watches sports, by and large.

Women's wrestling is no different. It has only drawn in a "sex sells" manner or when it was promoted with grand crossover appeal. Never has it drawn on its own for a long duration as Woman A vs. Woman B with a personal issue involved.

Many have tried, but have failed to make straight women's wrestling a consistent drawing card.

I certainly don't believe that TNA, which has failed at most everything it has attempted, would be any different.

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what is to be said when we rather seeing roided up guys or even in the old days fat guys in their underwera pretending to hit each other than sexy abbes in bikinis do the same thing.



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