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 Posted: Sun Nov 15th, 2015 08:36 pm
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Verne Gagne, Dusty Rhodes, Roddy Piper and now Nick Bockwinkel.  It's depressing and I don't really want to check but I'm not sure there has been a year where so many bona  fide superstars have passed in the same year. 



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bpickering wrote: Never saw Bockwinkel wrestle until Pro Wrestling USA/AWA started airing on WPIX then ESPN. So I Missed his classics.

The Bockwinkel vs Henning New Year eve 1 hour draw is one of my top 5 favorite matchs.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/old/other/bockwinkel.html

I'm tempted to pull this out and watch it tonight.
The only bad part of this match (and I didn't realize until years later after not seeing it for so long), Rod Trongard absolutely spoils the match early with his incessant discussion about the time limit.  He clearly knew it was going the distance, so he kept saying stupid shit like, "15 minutes down, 45 minutes to go!"
Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway.  



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RIP - always liked him. Even though, to me, he looked "old" as a champion, however, that also legitimized it to me; wily old veteran.

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Blazer wrote: bpickering wrote: Never saw Bockwinkel wrestle until Pro Wrestling USA/AWA started airing on WPIX then ESPN. So I Missed his classics.

The Bockwinkel vs Henning New Year eve 1 hour draw is one of my top 5 favorite matchs.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/old/other/bockwinkel.html

I'm tempted to pull this out and watch it tonight.
The only bad part of this match (and I didn't realize until years later after not seeing it for so long), Rod Trongard absolutely spoils the match early with his incessant discussion about the time limit.  He clearly knew it was going the distance, so he kept saying stupid shit like, "15 minutes down, 45 minutes to go!"
Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway. 
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1nwwgy_nick-bockwinkel-vs-curt-hennig-awa-part-1_sport



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Blazer wrote: Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway.  
Still true today.  Just a few weeks ago Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards went to a draw in TNA and the announcers called it within the first minute.  Also, many times the ring announcer will announce the time every 15 minutes and with 5 minutes left, and you know it's either a draw or they'll tease a draw in the last 10 seconds.  It's been that way forever. 



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It was nice when a swerve would happen once in a blue moon in a match with the obvious time call. A Rick Martel vs. Jim Brunzell match in 1982, for example, had all the typical earmarkings of the 30 minute draw, only to see Martel score a pin in the last 5 seconds.

It was kind of cool, and because it didn't happen all that often, it was a surprise in a good way.

That timecall in the Bock-Hennig match was obvious to me the first time I saw it and unfortunately it has always taken a little shine off of how much I like the match. Had I missed it the first time around, it would probably rank higher on my Best Matches list than it does.



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Trongard was such an annoying twerp of an idiot, but I'll never forget Bockwinkel, covered in blood, asking how much time was left when he was caught in the Figure 4

RIP to a real nice guy when I met him all those years ago



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3setsof10 wrote: Trongard was such an annoying twerp of an idiot, but I'll never forget Bockwinkel, covered in blood, asking how much time was left when he was caught in the Figure 4

RIP to a real nice guy when I met him all those years ago

That was fine as it was part of the finish at the end.  The other culprit, IIRC, was Larry Nelson who got on the house mic every minutes to announce the time.  Some promotions would announcer when 15 minutes had expired or 20 minutes.  Nelson was on the mic annoucing every five minute for this match.
"Five minutes gone!  55 minutes to go!"



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Damn guys, I still totally love that match. Now when I go back to watch it will be ruined lol

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Blazer wrote:
That was fine as it was part of the finish at the end.  The other culprit, IIRC, was Larry Nelson who got on the house mic every minutes to announce the time.  Some promotions would announcer when 15 minutes had expired or 20 minutes.  Nelson was on the mic annoucing every five minute for this match.
"Five minutes gone!  55 minutes to go!"



Memphis comes to mind as they were almost 100% consistent with their time calls in every match that I can think of that I've seen from the Mid South Coliseum. Whether it was going 5 minutes or 60 minutes Lance seemed to always make the call at regular intervals..."15 minutes gone, 45 to wrestle...", and so forth. By doing it all the time, it was never a giveaway when a match was going to go to it's time limit.

It's one of those little things that I appreciate, especially when you get the opposite in a match like Bock-Hennig.



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Hithouse_Mark2 wrote: Damn guys, I still totally love that match. Now when I go back to watch it will be ruined lol
Just watch it with the sound off. That might make it even better...You'll be blocking the sound of Rod Trongaard and Lord James Blears, after all. :tongue:



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Saw Nick a few times while he was still working the junior circuit in the AWA. I have mentioned ad nauseum that the best live match I ever saw was between newcomer Nick and 'rookie of the year' Don Muraco. Went over thirty minutes with beaucoup momentum shifts and Nick didn't cheat once until the last moment when he grabbed trunks to get a pinfall.

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Blazer wrote: bpickering wrote: Never saw Bockwinkel wrestle until Pro Wrestling USA/AWA started airing on WPIX then ESPN. So I Missed his classics.

The Bockwinkel vs Henning New Year eve 1 hour draw is one of my top 5 favorite matchs.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/old/other/bockwinkel.html

I'm tempted to pull this out and watch it tonight.
The only bad part of this match (and I didn't realize until years later after not seeing it for so long), Rod Trongard absolutely spoils the match early with his incessant discussion about the time limit.  He clearly knew it was going the distance, so he kept saying stupid shit like, "15 minutes down, 45 minutes to go!"
Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway. 

Not enough people point out that Bockwinkel absolutely MADE Curt Hennig a star in this match.  Hennig was a tag team champion in the AWA and had really never been put over as anything more than solid upper mid card babyface.  Bock really went out of his way and pretty much forced his will upon the crowd to believe in Hennig from the way he performed in this match.  Add to it the double turn a couple months later in the Cow Palace, and you had a white hot heel Hennig as newly minted AWA World Champion and Verne finally had a top young local talent to draw with.  Well, until WWF decided to pay him a lot more money...



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Superstar wrote: Blazer wrote: bpickering wrote: Never saw Bockwinkel wrestle until Pro Wrestling USA/AWA started airing on WPIX then ESPN. So I Missed his classics.

The Bockwinkel vs Henning New Year eve 1 hour draw is one of my top 5 favorite matchs.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/old/other/bockwinkel.html

I'm tempted to pull this out and watch it tonight.
The only bad part of this match (and I didn't realize until years later after not seeing it for so long), Rod Trongard absolutely spoils the match early with his incessant discussion about the time limit.  He clearly knew it was going the distance, so he kept saying stupid shit like, "15 minutes down, 45 minutes to go!"
Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway. 

Not enough people point out that Bockwinkel absolutely MADE Curt Hennig a star in this match.  Hennig was a tag team champion in the AWA and had really never been put over as anything more than solid upper mid card babyface.  Bock really went out of his way and pretty much forced his will upon the crowd to believe in Hennig from the way he performed in this match.  Add to it the double turn a couple months later in the Cow Palace, and you had a white hot heel Hennig as newly minted AWA World Champion and Verne finally had a top young local talent to draw with.  Well, until WWF decided to pay him a lot more money...

Very true.  Hennig had been around a long time already, teaming with his father in PNW, jobbing in the WWF, and being a mid-card tag team guy in the AWA.  Although he showed some good technical ability, he was very bland and seemed completely lacking in star power.  This match made him, and his confidence clearly grew after it as well. 

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Blazer wrote: bpickering wrote: Never saw Bockwinkel wrestle until Pro Wrestling USA/AWA started airing on WPIX then ESPN. So I Missed his classics.

The Bockwinkel vs Henning New Year eve 1 hour draw is one of my top 5 favorite matchs.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/old/other/bockwinkel.html

I'm tempted to pull this out and watch it tonight.
The only bad part of this match (and I didn't realize until years later after not seeing it for so long), Rod Trongard absolutely spoils the match early with his incessant discussion about the time limit.  He clearly knew it was going the distance, so he kept saying stupid shit like, "15 minutes down, 45 minutes to go!"
Back in the kayfabe days, if there was ever reference to the time limit more than just announcing it at the beginning of the match, it was a giveaway. 

Not enough people point out that Bockwinkel absolutely MADE Curt Hennig a star in this match.  Hennig was a tag team champion in the AWA and had really never been put over as anything more than solid upper mid card babyface.  Bock really went out of his way and pretty much forced his will upon the crowd to believe in Hennig from the way he performed in this match.  Add to it the double turn a couple months later in the Cow Palace, and you had a white hot heel Hennig as newly minted AWA World Champion and Verne finally had a top young local talent to draw with.  Well, until WWF decided to pay him a lot more money...

Very true.  Hennig had been around a long time already, teaming with his father in PNW, jobbing in the WWF, and being a mid-card tag team guy in the AWA.  Although he showed some good technical ability, he was very bland and seemed completely lacking in star power.  This match made him, and his confidence clearly grew after it as well.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bockwinkel also helped Hennig behind the scenes to perfect the "cocky, arrogant heel" act that Hennig had at this point in time.  Because when you look at Hennig post-Cow Palace, it wasn't only confidence coming out, he was polished.  That heel persona should not have manifested so cleanly and quickly, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bock wasn't coaching him for a few months before they did the turn.



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