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 Posted: Thu Feb 15th, 2018 07:04 pm
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How about Scott Armstrong. He doesn't wrestle anymore but isn't he still a ref for WWE?

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MadFrogVachon wrote: How about Scott Armstrong. He doesn't wrestle anymore but isn't he still a ref for WWE?
Yes, he was fired a number of years ago (and actually took some indy dates as a wrestler again during that time) but he has since returned as a referee.



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Benlen wrote: Sting?
I always considered Mid-South to be the territory and the UWF to be an indy, but again people have different ideas about this.  But Sting hasn't been regularly active in a long time now.



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I don't think the indy term applies with this promotion. To me Mid-South and the UWF were one and the same. This was a regional promotion. The UWF got massive TV syndication for the 1986-87 era, but was still running all of its usual towns in the old Mid-South area. The overwhelming majority of the cards run in the Watts era UWF happened in Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Ozark Missouri, and Houston via Paul Boesch. Eventually the UWF began running Fort Worth as a broadside against World Class. However, apart from those cards run around Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia with the Domenic DeNucci group, the cards held outside the home area prior to March and early April of 1987 were virtually nonexistent. It was the national tour in the early spring of 1987 that contributed to greatly to the sale by Bill Watts to JCP. The cards were attendance bombs everywhere but Atlanta, where Deep South co-promoted and Joe Pedicino pushed the event hard on his WATL-36 wrestling block. From the sale onward, especially once the scheduled cards booked by the Watts regime were complete, the UWF was just JCP in a different wrapper until being shut down in December of 1987.

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I would say Dustin since he still works a full time schedule.

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What about Liger? He's still working a lot for NJPW. He was working in Calgary in 87/88

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Principal_Raditch wrote: What about Liger? He's still working a lot for NJPW. He was working in Calgary in 87/88
If "excursions" count then sure, him and Muta both.  Muta even moreso.  He worked as the White Ninja in Florida and I think WWC in Ouerto Rico and had a cup of coffee in World Class before going to JCP/WCW right around the time of the sale.  Muta doesn't work as often as Liger anymore, but he still wrestles on a lot of the big shows.  But that said, I do think being sent on excursion is a bit different than surviving the territories.

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With Muta he was over in North America for quite awhile. His 1986 Florida stint was for at least 6 months. His 1988 Puerto Rico run was probably as long. He was in World Class for maybe 4 months in late 1988 and early 1989. Add in his WCW run, which isn't really a territory, and he was over here for 2 1/2 years. Did he get up to Canada at all? He'd have been a natural for Stampede and might have visited Montreal since he was joined at the hip with Kendo Nagasaki who was in and out of there in 1986.

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Franchise wrote: How many shows a month was the USWA running in 96 and 97?
I would have to pull out a 1996 or 1997 tape but they were still running Nashville, Louisville, Evansville and Memphis as weekly stops for much of that time. Memphis was still Monday night for the most part through mid 1996 for that matter with Louisville, Evansville Wednesday and a close spot show on Friday the night before TV. Saturday was usually Nashville and a spot town close by with split crews. Sunday was more times than not a day off. So, there's four nights a week. Jonesboro was still also a regular secondary stop as was Tunica, Ms. And then there were the armory and high school spot shows sprinkled in.
So, I would venture to guess around 20-25 in the average month. And you add four to that total if you count T.V. as a show and of course I would that ups it by four.



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I’d be curious to see for certain how many times they were running in a month. I looked around online and couldn’t find all that much



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Franchise wrote: I’d be curious to see for certain how many times they were running in a month. I looked around online and couldn’t find all that much
Pulled out a tape and caught the on tour rundown from a random week in 1996. It was a Memphis live TV, which meant it wasn't the condensed hour show the other towns got. Since this territory operated a week behind in all towns except Memphis, there never was mention of its other weekly stops on the Saturday morning studio show. 
Week in Oct. 1996.. (week begins on Saturday mind you)Oct. 19 In Memphis for Tv/Nashville A Town but a week behind/Milan Tn High School B TownOct. 21 MemphisOct. 22 Louisville a week behindOct. 23 Evansville A week behindOct. 25 Jonesboro (Fri) spot showOct. 26 TV. In Memphis/Evening With A Show in Nashville And B Show in Henderson Tn.
Times that by four and you've got a snapshot of their monthly show ouput although they would also do b towns at this point on Wednesday with sold shows at area casinos. On Oct. 30, they had a spot show in Helena, Ark at a casino with another crew manning Evansville that evening as well. 
You won't find results for most part other than Memphis on a weekly basis because for whatever reason the results gurus really didn't populate this territory like they did the Northeast or Carolinas. 



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Kriss wrote: BItterOldMan wrote: George South is still active and according to his bio, he started in 1982.

I'm glad you read the thread before posting...

We're looking for someone who can be the last person to claim to have gone through the territory system, not a list of old wrestlers who still wrestle once a month.

I am also interested in examining the claims of those who have either said themselves, or have been described by others, as one of the last wrestlers who went through the territories.

I read the question, South is a product of multiple territories and if he wrestles once a month then that's active in my book. 

I'm sorry my answer didn't meet your high standards. Please forgive an ignorant old man.



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Alright this thread is all over the place.


So is the question


Who is the oldest active wrestler that also wrestled in the territories?



Or is the question


who was the last person(s) to cut their teeth in the territories before the territories died? (This is how I read the question)


The next question is how many territories does it take to make territories? Does a single territory keep the territories alive or does it take more than one in existence at the same time?


If 1997 USWA is a territory then are SMW and ECW territories? To me all 3 are Indies with ECW being a predecessor to super indies like PWG and ROH.


To me the territories died around 89 as by that point you really couldn’t be a traveling wrestler and make a good living.


I’m sure someone can reference about wrestler “A” making x amount of money working in PNW and outlaw shows in New Mexico every 3rd Thursday but I’m speaking as a whole.


I’ve heard the interview with Tony Myers about working in Memphis and working in Japan, I know about the Gilbert’s and everyone else working internationally; again I’m talking big picture not just select people



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The question came to me when I was reading an interview with Raven where he claimed to be the last wrestler who came through the territories. This made me think about the others who have claimed this, or had this claimed of them.



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