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 Posted: Mon Jan 17th, 2022 07:15 pm
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srossi wrote: As AEW continues to expand, you're starting to see disagreements between talents who want to be more independent and management who need to look out for the best interests of the company. Meltzer is reporting that Bryan Danielson wants to work for a specific indy in a "dream match" scenario but AEW wants to hold off on that because it's in a market AEW hasn't run yet. AEW hopes to get there this year and they want Danielson's first match in the area to be with them. Danielson's agreement calls for him to work outside dates with permission and this is basically his first request to do so and he's being turned down. Meltzer says it's all cordial but there is some frustration on Danielson's part. 

Danielson also really wants to get back to Japan this year, something that there's been no serious talk of yet because of Covid travel restrictions, so it remains to be seen how smoothly those negotiations will go between AEW and NJPW in terms of dates, opponents, and if Danielson can job.  He's a main event talent so it will be much trickier to iron this out than it is for mid-carders who are much lower profile and basically can do what they want on the indies and elsewhere.  AEW gets final creative say in all outside bookings, and so far rarely have used it.

Interesting...... and Moxley first appearance unless AEW has a secret plans this week will be on GCW.....

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 Posted: Mon Jan 17th, 2022 07:59 pm
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srossi wrote: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.

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WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:

“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”

All of the women involved in the match posted bloody pics of themselves in the wake of WWE's message, with a bloody Tay Conti flipping Vince off directly.



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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: Thus is almost comical in its self-righteousness and so similar to what Ted Turner used to say about WWE.

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WWE provided the following statement to The Toronto Star, in an article looking at AEW being viable competition:

“If you look at the gory self-mutilation that bloodied several women in the December 31 event on TNT, it quickly becomes clear that these are very different businesses. We had an edgier product in the ‘Attitude’ era and in a 2022 world, we don’t believe that type of dangerous and brutal display is appealing to network partners, sponsors, venues, children, or the general public as a whole.”

ALl of the women involved in the match posted bloody pics of themselves in the wake of WWE's message, with a bloody Tay Conti flipping Vince off directly.

Blood in women's matches is a big reason why I can't get into today's professional wrestling. Something about it just seems wrong to me.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 17th, 2022 09:06 pm
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Meltzer is reporting that Cody Rhodes' contract expired earlier this month and he is working without a contract. Nothing is expected to come out of this, but you never know. There are some jokes about him being a surprise at the Royal Rumble, which technically could happen, although no one seriously thinks it will.

A bunch of contracts have recently expired from the first batch of signings pre-Dynamite, including the Young Bucks, Tony Schiavone, and Scorpio Sky, who have all been re-signed to multi-year deals.



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Regarding Danielson, I heard the group in question is for PWG on shows in California.   There are no plans for an AEW Western States title tourney, are there?

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I think some people look for dissent anywhere they can in AEW, whether it's there or not. AEW have power of veto over the independent bookings of those that are under contract. They have probably said no before this, but it seems that they say yes moat of the time. Just because Danielson might really really want to work for PWG doesn't mean that they should say yes if they have other plans. It also doesn't mean that Danielson is unhappy that they said no. The funny thing here is that Tony Khan wants to have Danielson's post-WWE West Coast debut. If this was WWE, they would just advertise it as such, even if he had worked PWG.



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Moxley kicked the show off. I didn’t think they’d let him come back on GCW.



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Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.

Moxley's promo was awful. If I have to hear one more wrestler personify their addiction as "demons"... Is this an American thing or just a wrestler thing? What was the point of that promo, except to get him back on TV? Who's he going to feud with? What's his next match? Crickets...



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Regarding moxley, he is facing Ethan page Friday on rampage. Not sure if one off or a feud, but hope one off.

Regarding Danielson and pwg, I was hopeful this summer he would have shown up for their first show back. They had malaki black as a surprise, which is cool, but AmDrag would be amazing! Would love to see it, but doubtful.

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Kriss wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen.  It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked. 

There were no compelling matches and no one needed to see Frankie Kazarian have a 10-minute match with Lance Archer when we all knew he was going to lose.  That's one of the valid complaints Cornette always has, you don't need everyone to have a good match, sometimes you just need to get someone over.  Archer didn't get over in his return in that match, and it wasn't even a good match even though they tried.

Everything else was basically an episode of Dark except the opening mixed tag match, which I know people will hate because they don't think Adam Cole should be in these situations.  It was decent but there was a long-term storyline they could've used to bring Cole and Baker together on-camera, something meaningful that would've popped the crowd, and this shit isn't it.  Right now, it's hurting them both because they're so over on their own they're bogging each other down by being a couple.  Just allude to it on TV but keep them apart until there's a reason.  AEW has been so good at that before, but I don't know what they're doing here.  They learned nothing from the disastrous Seth Rollins-Becky Lynch team though.    

Not sure how TBS feels about having AEW on the air live for 2 weeks now and already having Moxley drop an unbleeped f-bomb.  I know they let "shit" fly regularly (overused), but this one has to get the company some heat.  Other than that, I didn't really mind Moxley's promo because he has a unique style and should be allowed to be himself, and he was 100% real last night, that's just who he is.  Some of these promos will hit more than others, but that shouldn't be suppressed.  We only remember the gold from Piper, Blassie, etc. from the unscripted "good old days", but there was plenty more where I didn't know what they were talking about.  Let these guys be themselves and they'll hit on something special at least half the time.  The goal was to say Mox is back so mission accomplished and they can build to whatever is next for him slowly like they did with Punk.  I was OK with it.  Did anyone need to see it?  No.

Then the main event could've been OK, but they did more WWE booking with the handicap match shit, and Sting shouldn't be holding his own for 5 minutes against 2 guys who's combined ages are still less than his.  I hated that booking, and pretty much the whole show. 

So yeah, this one was bad. I guess that KrazyKid is going to think I'm off the payroll now.



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen.  It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked. 



I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min



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wittman2 wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen.  It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked. 



I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min

This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison.  Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either.  All WWE shows are often a chore to watch.  When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on.  When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end. 



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srossi wrote: wittman2 wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen.  It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked. 



I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min

This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison.  Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either.  All WWE shows are often a chore to watch.  When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on.  When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end. 


A lot of that is because if something is crap before the break, you have to watch it again after the break, and then probably twice more before the end of the show. If you edited out all the adverts and previously ons from Raw it's shorter than Dynamite which actually runs through ever ad break with full commentary if you watch the FITE version.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: wittman2 wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Dynamite is a much weaker show since Kenny Omega went home. He must be a much bigger influence on Tony Khan's booking than was previously thought. The show is still decent, but there's something missing. A lot of in-ring promos the past two weeks, and the wrestling has slowed down a lot. Feels more and more like a WWE show.
Last night's show was as weak as any Dynamite I've ever seen.  It still flew by because they just have a formula that works so much better than WWE's plodding style, but it was completely missable and just not well booked. 



I think part of it is also 2 hrs vs 3, if RAW were down to 2 hrs again, I'd like to think they would pare some of the crap down. If AEW ever goes to 3 hrs, it'll be interesting to see if they can keep up the quality or if a match like Archer/Kaz would get 15-20 min

This is very true of course, and I would never want Dynamite to expand to 3 hours, but Smackdown is 2 hours also and probably the better comparison.  Smackdown is easier to sit through than Raw because it's shorter, but by no means does it usually fly by either.  All WWE shows are often a chore to watch.  When AEW is bad, it's bad and you move on.  When WWE is bad or even average, it's like Chinese water torture that will never end. 


A lot of that is because if something is crap before the break, you have to watch it again after the break, and then probably twice more before the end of the show. If you edited out all the adverts and previously ons from Raw it's shorter than Dynamite which actually runs through ever ad break with full commentary if you watch the FITE version.

There's also just a fundamental difference between what I want from wrestling that everyone else provides to some degree or another, and what WWE is.  And that's no one's fault but my own for continuing to watch and complain and hope that it will change.  When AEW sucks, it sucks within the normal parameters of bad wrestling.  That Archer-Kazarian match went on too long and was boring, but it was wrestling.  When Happy Corbin and Madcap Moss are doing whatever it is they do for 20 minutes, it so defies the conventions of anything I'm looking for in a wrestling product that it's not even in the same genre.  It becomes akin to my wife forcing me to watch 20 minutes of "Sex and the City" or something, because it's so completely unrelated to what I'm hoping to see.  And it took years but at this point my tolerance has worn so thin that I've gone from looking forward to WWE shows, to being apathetic about it but actively watching, to having it on as background noise and looking up when something interesting seems to be happening, to almost literally fast-forwarding through entire shows to the point that I can barely say I watched it.   



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srossi wrote: And it took years but at this point my tolerance has worn so thin that I've gone from looking forward to WWE shows, to being apathetic about it but actively watching, to having it on as background noise and looking up when something interesting seems to be happening, to almost literally fast-forwarding through entire shows to the point that I can barely say I watched it.   
That same thing happened to me, but it was 2013/2014 that it happened to me.  The RAW after Wrestlemania was it.  We had been recording RAW and watching it Tuesday night as we could fast forward commercials.  Then we started watching it Tuesday morning before work, fast forwarding through the shit we weren't interested in.  When it got to be Monday night at 11:40 and we had fast forwarded through 90% of the show, we decided that we were done.  After watching every Monday night that we were home together from 2005 until 2014, and just ending it, the only times we have gone back were for a handful of things:  We watched when Shane came back, but the next week we were gone again.  We watched anytime Ronda Rousey was on the show, but then found out it was easier to just look up the clips on Youtube.  And pretty much that's it.  We watched the HHH episode when COVID hit just to see what was going to happen with him as the announcer, and it was great even though it only lasted one match.  Then we watched the show where they pretty much were roasting him although it was meant to be serious.  When Vince came out and pretty much squashed him at the end, leaving him in the ring and turning out the lights after rambling through his worst promo ever, we haven't seen one minute since. 



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