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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 12:42 am
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Heel Punk just for Long Island is awesome.



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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 01:09 am
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I enjoyed the sendup of "Dark Side of the Ring" recapping the MJF-Punk dog collar match.   A quickie callback to Jericho (who narrates the segment) and his issues wwith MJF from the past, and Chris then selling out for the money to read the MJF-slanted dialogue was good.   



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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 01:55 am
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I enjoyed the sendup of "Dark Side of the Ring" recapping the MJF-Punk dog collar match.   A quickie callback to Jericho (who narrates the segment) and his issues wwith MJF from the past, and Chris then selling out for the money to read the MJF-slanted dialogue was good.   




That was great, and Barry Horowitz was in it!



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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 02:08 am
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This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match.  JR is selling this as an all-time great match.  No reaction shots from Martha on this one.  

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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 03:01 am
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This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match.  JR is selling this as an all-time great match.  No reaction shots from Martha on this one.  

Owen’s death has nothing to do with a wrestling match. 



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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 03:30 am
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The highlight match tonight for me was Ricky Starks vs. Jungle Boy.   It's being used as a pivot point for whether or not to turn Swerve and Keith Lee, or turn Christian, and maybe push Starks and Hobbs in a tag team with the titles being a goal.

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 Posted: Thu May 12th, 2022 05:49 am
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srossi wrote: One Fan Gang wrote:
This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match.  JR is selling this as an all-time great match.  No reaction shots from Martha on this one.  

Owen’s death has nothing to do with a wrestling match. 

Yeah. I don't get what was "tone deaf" about it. It's not like one of them descended from the ceiling. No reaction shots from Martha because she completely no sold the first match. Waving and smiling to the camera when heel Adam Cole had won a match with her dead husband's finisher while the crowd booed. I wouldn't be surprised if she was only in her seat for the first match. 



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No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote.    I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got.   The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste.   From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences.   If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit.

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One Fan Gang wrote: No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote.    I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got.   The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste.   From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences.   If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit.
Yeah, I forgot to mention she was on camera during the women's match. She looked like a goof giving the peace signs to the camera as well. She should have jut been introduced to the crowd and that would have been enough Martha. I thought the shows was excellent top to bottom. One of the best Dynamites with good matches and good segments. I can't think of a single thing that didn't entertain. Each to their own, but you seem to be in a very small minority in being offended by the main event. Not sure how your fantasy booking improves the tournament.



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srossi wrote: Heel Punk just for Long Island is awesome.It sure is. Great stuff. 
Not sure why they are doing the Wardlow think in Long Island. 

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This Hardy vs Darby match may be playing to their individual high diving playbooks but I think it's pretty tone deaf for them to put it in an Owen Hart Cup match.  JR is selling this as an all-time great match.  No reaction shots from Martha on this one.  
Seriously? What match would you prefer? I'm struggling with your logic here.
Edit: Sorry, I see your next post explains. If the coffin drop through chairs is close enough to be disrespectful to a guy falling from the rafters doing a stunt with cables and harnesses, and if Martha Hart somehow equated the two, then she should have had nothing to do with it, or any other wrestling for that matter. But I'm sure she doesn't equate them in any way because they are completely different things. 

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Kriss wrote: One Fan Gang wrote: No, they showed Martha in the Hayter-Storm match as well; she isn't a performer so I don't expect her to take direction on how to emote.    I just think they could have let Darby-Hardy do their stunt show outside of the tournament and save the 2 slots for others; Fish and Swerve getting the entries would have added to the mix better than what we got.   The crash through the coffin of chairs is close enough to descending from the ceiling for my taste.   From a viewing standpoint, the 90-120 second breaks should have a sliding scale when they go to picture-in-picture so the ads can run while these guys lay there recovering, instead of shrinking high-action sequences.   If they are booking the debilitating bumps anyway, structure the breaks to fit.
Yeah, I forgot to mention she was on camera during the women's match. She looked like a goof giving the peace signs to the camera as well. She should have jut been introduced to the crowd and that would have been enough Martha. I thought the shows was excellent top to bottom. One of the best Dynamites with good matches and good segments. I can't think of a single thing that didn't entertain. Each to their own, but you seem to be in a very small minority in being offended by the main event. Not sure how your fantasy booking improves the tournament.

Agreed, aside from the main event I liked everything else. I just hate that style of match but I know a lot of people like it.
I don't generally like that MJF is a face in Long Island (and Wardlow is be default the heel) but that ended really well.
the first match was great, Punk vs Silver was very good for a short match. I like Hayter and liked that women's match.
I don't like the JAS but they were entertaining tonight. 
Starks is great and I do think Jungle Boy could be really good as a singles star too.
Best Dynamite in quite a while. 

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I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot.



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srossi wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot.

Were those miserable L.I. fans that were from the 80s required to pass that along to the next 2 generations, though?   Or was it that the booking of shows in general improved, to the point that future generations of fans were more appreciative?   

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One Fan Gang wrote: srossi wrote: I just find it funny that Long Island is AEW’s Canada, minus the passive aggressive “Bizarro World” commentary that Vince would shout into his announcers’ ears. And Long Island is a traditionally dead area with the worst fans dating back decades, so it’s amazing that AEW has gotten this market so hot.

Were those miserable L.I. fans that were from the 80s required to pass that along to the next 2 generations, though?   Or was it that the booking of shows in general improved, to the point that future generations of fans were more appreciative?  

The booking of every show, '80s house shows right up to both Raw and Nitro in the '90s, which was the businesses' hottest period?  It had nothing to do with the product, Long Island fans were always known as the worst.

I suspect the difference is that UBS Arena is barely really in Long Island.  It's on the Queens border, about 5 feet into Long Island, a far cry from where Nassau Colisseum was.  I think that makes a difference, but using MJF to get the place hot was pretty brilliant.  All of Long Island can be the heels that we all know they are now.



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