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 Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 12:27 am
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Punk is starting to botch a lot, and when he slipped off the top rope tonight he could barely contain his anger at himself.



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 Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 12:38 am
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So they’re going with Punk vs. Tanahashi at Forbidden Door and he’s there line in L.A. A dream match for sure but more a match of two aging legends than the best in the world at the moment. So who gets Okada?



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worked shoot promo by MJF ..booker of the year lmao

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After that awful MJF promo, the best thing returns to AEW the Redeemer Miro

I swear i always will believe Miro got his gimmick from this Keele and Peele skit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-oJTZ1b5Q

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MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”

Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.

The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial. 

Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. 



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Miro is back to answer the open challenge of Johnny Elite.  Strange that they brought in Johnny twice in a row just to do high-profile jobs and they don’t seem to have an interest in signing him, and there’s no point now. 



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srossi wrote: MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”

Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.

The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial. 

Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. How was that a great segment? it was a Russo level bullshit and then went into the Pipebomb bs mic cut nonsense after inflammatory statement is made, this would have had more substance if AEW wasn't so much on the smark and wink wink "wrestling is fake"  tip that do every week whether thru promos or matches..

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AEW is like Oprah with Cars when it comes to people with belts...you get a title, you get a title, you get a title

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krazykid18 wrote: srossi wrote: MJF: “Do you guys know who the 2nd biggest minute-for-minute draw is in this entire company? It’s me! And if you don’t believe me, ask Stat Boy Tony and see what he had to say. But whatever you do, don’t ask him to reach into his pockets and pay the man who’s been busting his ass for him since Day One. No, make sure he hoardes all that money so he can give it to all the new ex-WWE guys he keeps bringing in that can’t lace my god-damned boots!”

Yeah, he definitely already re-signed.

The promo ends with MJF begging Khan to fire him and yelling at a producer for counting him down and then repeatedly dropping f bombs to get bleeped as his mic gets cut and they abruptly cut to commercial. 

Great segment, I just don’t like that they didn’t sell the Wardlow beating and went straight to shoot when the PPV was still work. How was that a great segment? it was a Russo level bullshit and then went into the Pipebomb bs mic cut nonsense after inflammatory statement is made, this would have had more substance if AEW wasn't so much on the smark and wink wink "wrestling is fake"  tip that do every week whether thru promos or matches..

Maybe because it was a tremendous promo by the best promo in the business in 2022. Stop trying to be too cool for school. It was a fun segment. This coming from the guy who thinks Michael Cole almost in tears about Sasha Banks walking out is good business to promote a UK PPV with Doudrop. Lol



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 Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 02:29 am
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Vince Vaughn, Macaulay Culkin, and Paul Walter Hauser among the celebs in attendance tonight in L.A., all of whom are regular WWE fans whenever they’re in town.



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It's a bad look when your world champion is the weak link in a trios match. Vince has one thing right when he doesn't want his wrestlers to have grey hair. Punk doesn't look like a champion at the moment. He looked like shit and wrestled like shit last night. Very weak offence, although he did look like he injured his leg on that slip, so that might be it.

MJF's promo was awesome, even if he only gave lip service to selling his beating from Sunday. The promo worked so well because it came off like a shoot, but there was nothing in there that didn't break kayfabe. Tony Khan being the owner isn't a secret, and wrestlers do have contracts and get paid, even in kayfabe. I liked that the announcers didn't mention the promo after the break.

The next match proved MJF to be quite correct. Miro might be good a pre-taped promos, but he's not good at anything else. Not good enough for AEW, anyway. Such a basic wrestler, which is to be expected from a WWE PC graduate. I think he thinks he is the finished product, because I haven't seen any improvement in him (in-ring) since his peak in the tank at WM. Johnny Elite being used as a high-profile job guy is fine. I like that AEW bring in outsiders to do high profile jobs. It's better than using one of the roster, and it's nice to see a new face every now and again.

My lord, Swerve Scott is boring as hell on the mic. Sent me to sleep introducing all those nobodies backstage. Keith Lee needs to get as far away from this loser as he can, but looking at the T-shirt he was wearing, this seems to be a permanent team now. Stokely Hathaway and Keith Lee would make a great 2022 version of Bockwinkel and Heenan.

Awful WWE-style scripted promo from Athena. This is what they should be using the YouTube shows for. Make these PC graduates go out in the ring and cut a live promo with no script until they are good enough to do it live on TV. That whole segment was terrible. Looked like they all had no idea what they were doing or what they were supposed to be doing. All the referees and agents coming out looked daft because there was nothing to break up.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 2nd, 2022 12:43 pm
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Kriss wrote: Thoughts:

It's a bad look when your world champion is the weak link in a trios match. Vince has one thing right when he doesn't want his wrestlers to have grey hair. Punk doesn't look like a champion at the moment. He looked like shit and wrestled like shit last night. Very weak offence, although he did look like he injured his leg on that slip, so that might be it.

MJF's promo was awesome, even if he only gave lip service to selling his beating from Sunday. The promo worked so well because it came off like a shoot, but there was nothing in there that didn't break kayfabe. Tony Khan being the owner isn't a secret, and wrestlers do have contracts and get paid, even in kayfabe. I liked that the announcers didn't mention the promo after the break.

The next match proved MJF to be quite correct. Miro might be good a pre-taped promos, but he's not good at anything else. Not good enough for AEW, anyway. Such a basic wrestler, which is to be expected from a WWE PC graduate. I think he thinks he is the finished product, because I haven't seen any improvement in him (in-ring) since his peak in the tank at WM. Johnny Elite being used as a high-profile job guy is fine. I like that AEW bring in outsiders to do high profile jobs. It's better than using one of the roster, and it's nice to see a new face every now and again.

My lord, Swerve Scott is boring as hell on the mic. Sent me to sleep introducing all those nobodies backstage. Keith Lee needs to get as far away from this loser as he can, but looking at the T-shirt he was wearing, this seems to be a permanent team now. Stokely Hathaway and Keith Lee would make a great 2022 version of Bockwinkel and Heenan.

Awful WWE-style scripted promo from Athena. This is what they should be using the YouTube shows for. Make these PC graduates go out in the ring and cut a live promo with no script until they are good enough to do it live on TV. That whole segment was terrible. Looked like they all had no idea what they were doing or what they were supposed to be doing. All the referees and agents coming out looked daft because there was nothing to break up.

It's funny what you said about Miro shortly after commenting on Punk.  The one thing no one can doubt with Punk is that he cares.  He knew that match sucked (at least his part) and he was visibly furious with himself.  As soon as he got the mic he basically said that he needs to keep improving, which fit the bigger picture but I think was an ad-lib based on his botches since he basically talks off the cuff.  I think he's old school enough to still think along the lines of the champion carrying the company like Bruno and Hogan, and he wants to up his game from where it's been.  WHether he can do it or not at his age after such a long lay-off is a different story.  Whereas Miro and the PC grads think they're good and if there's a botch they just have to memorize the moves better. 



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Live reports from last night say that after they abruptly cut to commercial during MJF's promo, CM Punk was sent to the ring to chase him away. That was a nice touch for the live crowd to have your new champion (and someone who MJF formerly feuded with) do that. In another era, they could've sent their "policeman" or shooter to the ring to do that, but I don't even know who that would be in AEW right now.  The last guy used in that role was basically Ron Simmons 15 years ago, so that's a lost art.

The announcers played it like a shoot in that they simply never mentioned MJF again, like they were told by Tony Khan not to put it over. The whole thing was fantastic.



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srossi wrote: So they’re going with Punk vs. Tanahashi at Forbidden Door and he’s there line in L.A. A dream match for sure but more a match of two aging legends than the best in the world at the moment. So who gets Okada?
Meltzer says it’s going to be Okada vs. Adam Page, which will be set up next week. 



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There is something comforting in the way it's MJF if he wears the Burberry scarf, but when he takes it off, he's Max Friedman.  It's like an invisible skin, such that when he rails against management, it's the same unfiltered presentation, as if to say the "real" guy is what you get 24/7 anyway.  

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