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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 04:05 am
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So Punk got injured in that 6-man tag, which might’ve been why he was so mad moreso than the botch. He cut a confusing promo tonight where it seemed like he vacated the title but he never said that. Then Jericho said on commentary that he had to relinquish the belt, which sounded like a note from Tony Khan since Punk didn’t make it clear. But Bryan Alvarez tweeted that Punk did NOT relinquish the title and wil hold it while injured. So I have no idea. This is the downside of an unscripted promo I guess.



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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 04:17 am
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So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.

Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.



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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 05:10 am
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srossi wrote: So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.

Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.

The match to crown the champion is going to be n the PPV.



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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 05:42 am
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That tag match that opened Rampage was perfection for me. That's the kind of match I like to watch, and this was the best two teams in the world doing what they do. The commentary was fantastic too. Five stars, seven stars, 10/10, whatever you want.



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srossi wrote: So they’ve finally clarified and there will be an interim champion crowned. Jon Moxley as #1 contender will face the winner of a battle royal to crown a new champion.

Presumably the Forbidden Door match with Tanahashi is now off and the interim champion will take that spot too.

Another thing that should be very easy to clearly explain. They can't seem to get some very simple things right, like the overly convoluted Owen Hart tournaments.
They did the interim champion thing with the TNT title when the champion was going he to put for two weeks. I wonder how long Punk will be out for. 

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Seems that the title situation was very last minute and that the announce team didn't know what Punk was going to say, leading to punk not explaining it very well (although in kayfabe what he said was fine) and then the announcers mis-understanding what the deal is leading to a lot of confusion.

At the moment, Jon Moxley as the number one contender will face the winner of a battle royal (held on Dynamite) in a match for interim championship (held at Forbidden Door.) It's a weird situation, since Wardlow was the number one contender on the weekly rankings that came out on June 1. Then AEW published an extra rankings dated June 3 with Moxley moving up from number 4 to number 1, with this list clearly only uploaded to explain why Wardlow isn't the number contender. Makes zero sense in kayfabe since Moxley has only been wrestling tags recently. If Wardlow wins the battle royal, then everything is good in the world.

This always seems to happen in AEW when plans have to change quickly. Tony Khan is very good at long term booking, it's usually so tight that that when he has to plan stuff on the fly, you can see the gaps in the logic (gaps that WWE writers wouldn't think twice about.)

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I think you're right on all of that but the bottom line is that they have rushed something for no reason. There's no reason to decide all this at the last minute and to not have the announcers clued in.

Either way it's a pity that Punk is hurt and the momentum is gone. He'll get it back but it's still a big shame. I think we both said he looked like he hurt himself with the slip off of the rope on Dynamite. Let's hope he'll be able to make a full comeback.

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They cannot creatively book around this?

How about a mid south style angle with 3 or 4 contenders vying for a shot and somehow punk getting cracked open or something.

Like a flair dibiase murdoch reed angle with punk as champ getting hurt instead of dibiase as contender getting hurt.

The lack of ability to book anything meaningful anymore baffles me.

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 01:06 pm
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Quattro wrote: They cannot creatively book around this?

How about a mid south style angle with 3 or 4 contenders vying for a shot and somehow punk getting cracked open or something.

Like a flair dibiase murdoch reed angle with punk as champ getting hurt instead of dibiase as contender getting hurt.

The lack of ability to book anything meaningful anymore baffles me.
It was rushed, it was confusing and now it's overly convoluted (again) in my opinion.
As Kriss said Tony's mentality around short term planning or quick changes to plans is pretty bad. I genuinely think anyone on this board could have planned last night's announcement far better. In fact I don't think it could have been much worse. 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2022 02:49 pm
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Honestly this could’ve all waited until after Forbidden Door. Focus on NJPW right now. Book some dream matches that are one-offs and not part of the continuity of the angles in AEW. Buy yourself some time. They even could’ve just had the battle royal to determine who would face Tanahashi instead of Punk. There’s no reason to panic and make a decision in 2 days, especially when that decision isn’t a very logical one. Take a deep breath and sell the PPV on deck.

And whoever’s fault it is, Khan needs to give the bullet point “interim champion” and Punk needs to hit it. This is like in the ‘80s if the guys all gathered to cut the market-specific promos and never mentioning the markets. Say whatever you want, but hit the one bullet point that’s the point of the promo. Stuff like this opens them up to so much criticism that seems easy to avoid to me. 



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Spot on. This should be easy to do. There was no need to rush it. Whenever you're going to do it ALL you need to get over first is that Punk is hurt, he's coming back but we're going to have an interim champion. They couldn't even do that. And that's all before this convuluted thing they announce during the most action packed part of a live match.

It's really hard to see how they could've done much worse than they did.

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I would be all for them not trying to clarify shit within seconds.  Fans don't need any answers immediately and aren't owed any explanation.  Create some buzz through non-action for a change.  The media can be the voice of the interested by asking for answers, but that doesn't mean they have to be answered.  Jim Crockett appeared with the vacated Mid-Atlantic belt on TBS and said "we'll announce the status of this title at some point in the future" and then buried it next to Nicky Santoro in the cornfield.   Since modern fans are conditioned to want to be outraged about every decision all the time, make em wait. 





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AEW has complicated matters more. Now Moxley vs. the battle royal winner to take place in 2 weeks and Tanahashi vs. Goto will happen in Japan. The winners of those matches will face each other at Forbidden Door for the interim AEW championship.  

This is all way too much for an interpromotional PPV that doesn’t need a title on the line. It’s WWE thinking to say that it does. I’d actually rather not have titles in the line because it makes the booking less predictable. 



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It's worse than WWE. I think WWE is dogshit for the most part but this thing has multiple layers of shit. 

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Jim_Irish wrote: It's worse than WWE. I think WWE is dogshit for the most part but this thing has multiple layers of shit. 
Well, at least it's not a reverse battle royal.



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