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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 05:15 am
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OK, I didn't know that.

I do think it would not take much to improve the issue I have with it. And I think you can do that without alienating hardcore fans. But if he's happy that he wants an audience of people who already know every wrestler that's fair enough.




I think the 'casual fan' term is ripe for misuse. I watch almost no other wrestling aside from Dynamite and Rampage. Am I alone? Am I a casual fan? I don't know. What's the risk of a fan like me leaving the AEW audience, assuming there are other fans like me.

Leaving aside my gripe with assuming the audience knows who everyone from Japan is. My bigger gripe is how bad some of the storytelling is. And I don't think is a hardcore fan thing. I think it's basic mistakes time and time again. A couple of recent examples include the convoluted Owen Hart tournaments, belts and cup, and the botched explanation of Punk's injury and the subsequent title and interim title plans.

Would explaining simple things more clearly alienate hardcore fans? I don't believe so. Do all their current audience follow everything that's going on on the Internet (news sites, twitter, YouTube Dark, etc)? Even if they do, does it not make sense to make each show more coherent through basic storytelling and not leaving huge gaps?

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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 07:53 am
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I wouldn't say you are a casual fan. You have enough investment in the product to come here and post about it. I'd say a casual fan puts no effort into their fandom. If you are actively seeking out extra information you are above that, but there's no real name for that. The hardcore fans already (think they) known everything already. Raw probably has casual fans who throw it on in the background every Monday with the sound off or use it as something to fall asleep to. The problem wrestling has is that there isn't really anywhere to get casual fans from. Casual wrestling fans watch WWE, they don't need any more. A superhero (or fantasy, sci-fi, anything "nerdy") TV show can tap into the many, many casual TV fans, but wrestling is pretty unique and you either like it or you don't. It's not similar enough to anything to be able to attract their viewers in any meaningful numbers. For what it's worth, I think AEW are going the right way about it. Give the fans a consistent story, so that there is lore for people to go back to, and setting itself within the greater world of pro wrestling. Nerdy fans, like me, love to do deep dives into characters and stories. I didn't do a Cornette rant at my TV because Aussie Open debuted without any explanation, I went to Google.



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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 01:30 pm
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I think I agree with you about the casual fan now, with that explanation.

I guess plenty of people like the element of googling people to find out who's who or what's going on, or what the back story is that they hardly ever explain on the show. I'm not a casual fan but I have no interest in doing that for stuff I think is basic enough and crucial to the story. But I guess it's each to their own.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 05:44 pm
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I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way

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Infamous wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way
We have the internet now, though.



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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 08:50 pm
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Kriss wrote: Infamous wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way
We have the internet now, though.
The internet does not convey how the wrestler is perceived by his home crowd, nor does it show you the quality of match they can have.  To back up Infamous on this, when Fujinami wrestled Flair in '91, my last exposure to him was as the WWF Light Heavyweight Champion, and had read about him in the Apter mags.  I know the era that we live in is different now, so there should be no reason why Tony Khan cannot play some sort of video package to make it work for HIS audience.  I'm sure that in this day and age, most people that watch AEW have seen the Japanese stars, because the typical AEW fan is generally more plugged in than a WWE fan is.  At the same time, I would appreciate seeing some footage that makes me think that we are getting an ultra competitive match coming our way. 



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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 09:26 pm
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Kriss wrote: Infamous wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way
We have the internet now, though.

If you're trying to sell someone a used car, you don't just say, "Fuck off, you can Google it."  They absolutely need to do a better job of explaining some stuff even to diehard fans.  You don't need to spend an hour putting over Okada, but if you're going to bring in Aussie Open and Great-O-Khan then yeah, you need to do at least the bear minimum or it will absolutely turn viewers off.



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 Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 04:46 am
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After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. 



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 Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 10:52 am
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Kriss wrote: Infamous wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way
We have the internet now, though.

We sure do. We had books and magazines back then. Internet is certainly easier. But it's the same principle. It's about storytelling. 
If you actively want your audience to have to go look up stuff online to know what's going on that is fair enough. And there's a hardcore audience that likes that. I find it jarring, I find it ruins the show. 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 10:55 am
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srossi wrote: After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. Awful, AWFUL, booking. 
As Kriss said, the wrestling is very good. The show is genuinely etting worse. The booking is atrocious. There's too much going on and the timing and pace is off in nearly everything, as far as I'm concerned. 

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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Infamous wrote: I saw very little of Tatsumi Fujinami prior to his Super Brawl ‘91 match with Ric Flair but I knew the name. I expected WCW to at least sort of tell the story of what happened in Japan that I need to see this guy as a somebody. And they did. These are exotic shows that sort of need to be presented that way
We have the internet now, though.

If you're trying to sell someone a used car, you don't just say, "Fuck off, you can Google it."  They absolutely need to do a better job of explaining some stuff even to diehard fans.  You don't need to spend an hour putting over Okada, but if you're going to bring in Aussie Open and Great-O-Khan then yeah, you need to do at least the bear minimum or it will absolutely turn viewers off.
Yes! And it's not with an extra half hour of exposition. But they need a little bit. It's getting close with me, the good stuff is very good but the bad stuff is annoying me more and more. 

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 Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 01:24 pm
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You won’t quit watching, Jim, even though you threaten it regularly.



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Jim_Irish wrote: srossi wrote: After all that, they job Ospreay and Aussie Open to Trent Barretta (who I don’t think ever beats anyone) and FTR on Rampage. Makes no sense to me. You just said they were the best singles and tag team wrestlers in the world 2 days ago, and now they’re 0-1 before most of the audience figured out who they were. Awful, AWFUL, booking. 
As Kriss said, the wrestling is very good. The show is genuinely etting worse. The booking is atrocious. There's too much going on and the timing and pace is off in nearly everything, as far as I'm concerned. 


Some of the long-term booking is exceptional for the same reasons the short-term booking isn’t. I like that Khan can do subtle stuff that pays off months later and makes you feel like you’re watching “Breaking Bad” and actually have to pay attention to story-telling. But that’s all contained in the show. Some of the short-term booking involving guys barely introduced or not introduced at all makes no sense to me. There’s some stuff that is a breath of fresh air compared to WWE’s stale booking, and then there’s some stuff that seems to be the opposite of WWE just for the sake of it. 



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 Posted: Sat Jun 11th, 2022 04:22 pm
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khawk wrote: You won’t quit watching, Jim, even though you threaten it regularly.Have I threatened it regularly? I know I've mentioned it in recent days.
And you might be right, by the way. I'm invested in it and I got a friend interested too and he's watching it so that's another factor to keep me watching. 

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It’s too hard to quit without one mind blowing angle that takes your sense of why you’re watching it away. Think undertaker-papa Shan go voodoo angle. That made me turn it off for a bunch of years.
If they do something not just stupid but senses-altering, maybe, but. I don’t know what would even qualify as something like that these days with all the bizarreness I read about here and other places regular things.



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