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 Posted: Tue Sep 27th, 2022 07:56 pm
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Tony Khan Tweeted that an email was sent to all talent but was using this medium to reinforce the message, that attendance was voluntary at this week's TV if there was a need to address Hurricane Ian (What Fucking Ian Guy?!?) matters.


This week's Elevation show was only 2 matches but also included a longform clip of Powerhouse Hobbs mentioning his personal story of childhood and some of the obstacles in his life, in a segment encouraging anyone who needed assistance to contact the Crisis Help Center.   

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 Posted: Wed Sep 28th, 2022 02:43 am
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Some more weird AEW drama. It’s being reported that Bobby Fish might’ve been in contact with HHH to bring the Undisputed Era back, and as a result Fish was trying to talk Cole and O’Reilly into demanding their releases so they could all go back together. They declined, and then Cole tattled on Fish to TK, which is why TK stopped talking to Fish. Fish had expressed frustration that not only did TK let his contract expire without a conversation, but he also couldn’t speak to TK about letting him do a kickboxing fight he was offered. So it appears that we now know why TK ghosted him. Without Cole and O’Reilly, HHH apparently doesn’t want Fish back on his own, so Fish is in Impact now. A lot to digest here between potential WWE contract interference, Fish working against the interests of his own company, and Cole selling out his mentor.



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 Posted: Wed Sep 28th, 2022 04:37 pm
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It’s being reported that WWE reached out to Swerve Strickland about returning to the company with Hit Row. Strickland told them he wasn’t interested and referred them to his attorney and AEW officials. The amount of tampering WWE is doing is absolutely insane. I know TK was pissed about it, but they should really sue.



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srossi wrote: It’s being reported that WWE reached out to Swerve Strickland about returning to the company with Hit Row. Strickland told them he wasn’t interested and referred them to his attorney and AEW officials. The amount of tampering WWE is doing is absolutely insane. I know TK was pissed about it, but they should really sue.

Vince sure would’ve in the 80s/90s if WCW would have done similar. 



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 Posted: Wed Sep 28th, 2022 08:47 pm
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Just saw this headline and won't be reading much of it right now.  I've heard gloom and doom-speak about AEW programming potentially affected in recent weeks:

  
https://deadline.com/2022/09/warner-bros-discovery-merger-talks-david-zaslav-not-for-sale-town-hall-1235129580/#recipient_hashed=2ec9ce834f7dfcbd8366c088aae71c4495ea058de393aaa911e79a0a64eaa988&recipient_salt=1647efd76c5fdce2b562fb95bdf916387b7d2ea6936a1d5940c4336463521675

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According to Fightful Select: "In speaking with Warner Bros Discovery sources, we're told that several efforts were made within the company to retain Cody Rhodes in AEW. Between AEW, Rhodes to the Top and Go Big Show, Rhodes had developed a good rapport with several in WarnerMedia at the time."


Sam Linskey, Associate General Manager and Senior Vice President of Scripted Original programming for TNT, TBS, and TruTv reached out to Cody to keep him.
Cody reportedly stated that it was simply "time to leave the territory."


While Warner would have liked to have kept Cody, his departure wasn't a dealbreaker for them keeping AEW as a part of their weekly programing.


I really hope Cody told the Time Warner exec it was “time to leave the territory”, like he’s Dusty and it’s the 80s lol.



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It pains me to say it, but AEW seems to be falling apart behind the scenes. The real pros like Jericho, Danielson and Moxley are holding the company together on television, but all the backstage and Twitter drama makes following AEW like watching Jersey Shore. And when I say the television is still being held together... good wrestlers are still having good matches, and good talkers are delivering good promos, but the show is pale imitation of what it was. Stories are falling apart because of suspensions and injuries and some of the current stories are really poorly thought out. For example... Andrade and Matt Hardy are feuding over Private Party in an angle involving "contract tampering" in some kind of parody of WWE reaching out to AEW wrestlers. It's all very vague, and Andrade is having his big "AEW career vs mask" match with Dark Order's Ten, seemingly because they met in the corridor last week.

The Triple H era of WWE isn't different enough for me to want to want WWE again and I have no interest in watching Braun Stowman and Bray Wyatt attempt something wrestling-adjacent, so I'm back to watching old TNA episodes.



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Andrade and Guevara seem to be in a Twitter war now, but I’ve given up caring about all the backstage bullshit. I assume most is a shoot, and some they turn into works, but it’s all Russo-ish at this point. If Guevara is half as big a dick as he seems to be, he’s ruining a promising career right in front of our eyes and won’t make it another year.



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Kriss wrote: The Triple H era of WWE isn't different enough for me to want to want WWE again and I have no interest in watching Braun Stowman and Bray Wyatt attempt something wrestling-adjacent, so I'm back to watching old TNA episodes.
I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would and quicker than I thought I would.  The promos have even gotten much stronger and much less corny, and the quality of the matches is obviously through the roof.  WWE has always had tons of talent, and now they're showing it.  The only real Vince-style head-scratcher I've seen so far is Otis beating Gargano, and Gargano's booking in general under HHH is no better than it would've been under Vince.  Other than that, I have few complaints.  I think Strowman is just fine, he worked hard to go from Great Khali when he first came up to being a competent enough big man worker who got himself over.  I'm more than willing to see what Wyatt can do when he comes back, he deserves the chance to do this character without Vince's crazy start-stop pushes and changes in direction.



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Kriss wrote: It pains me to say it, but AEW seems to be falling apart behind the scenes. The real pros like Jericho, Danielson and Moxley are holding the company together on television, but all the backstage and Twitter drama makes following AEW like watching Jersey Shore. And when I say the television is still being held together... good wrestlers are still having good matches, and good talkers are delivering good promos, but the show is pale imitation of what it was

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Sorry for the double post, I can't fix the last one on my phone. Anyway, I agree, and I've been a much harsher critic than you but have watched every TV and ppv for over a year until a couple of weeks ago. I missed both shows last week and I don't care. I know there'll be some good matches but the booking is fucking awful (like the examples you give) and whether you like him or not the whole build with Punk has fallen flat twice, for different reasons, and it's done damage (I think).

Tony is still, apparently, calling all the shots and it's not working. The good talent can only do so much.

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Jim_Irish wrote: Sorry for the double post, I can fix the last one on my phone. Anyway, I agree, and I've been a much harsher critic than you but have watched every TV and ppv for over a year until a couple of weeks ago. I missed both shows last week and I don't care. I know there'll be some good matches but the booking is fucking awful (like the examples you give) and whether you like him or not the whole build with Punk has fallen flat twice, for different reasons, and it's done damage (I think).

Tony is still, apparently, calling all the shots and it's not working. The good talent can only do so much.

It's time to do a good cop, bad cop deal.  I actually think TK is a very good booker.  As Kriss mentioned, his long-term booking plans keep getting ruined by backstage incidents, but otherwise he has a good idea of the direction he wants to go and builds to it nicely.  He needs to hire someone to lay down the law and be the enforcer.  Perhaps someone with an HR background (I can be available for the right price).  But TK is an absolutely terrible leader and I hope he has the self-awareness to know that.  He's trying to be a friend, not a boss.  He'll never live down the image of him awkwardly nodding along to the nonsense Punk was spewing as he allowed a press conference that should've been joyous after a good show with a big ending go off the rails horribly, without even an attempt to get it under control.  A complete absence of leadership.  He can keep being the owner and keep doing the booking if he has someone else in a position of authority to be the heavy. 



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Agree with most of that but the short term week-to-week booking isn't good at all, to my mind at least. It's usually terrible. And that, to me, means he's not a good booker at all. 

Long term he's done very good stuff with Punk, MJF, Wardlow (though they cooled that as soon as he won the belt), Hangman Page and others.
Most other stuff is dogshit. 

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srossi wrote: Jim_Irish wrote: Sorry for the double post, I can fix the last one on my phone. Anyway, I agree, and I've been a much harsher critic than you but have watched every TV and ppv for over a year until a couple of weeks ago. I missed both shows last week and I don't care. I know there'll be some good matches but the booking is fucking awful (like the examples you give) and whether you like him or not the whole build with Punk has fallen flat twice, for different reasons, and it's done damage (I think).

Tony is still, apparently, calling all the shots and it's not working. The good talent can only do so much.

It's time to do a good cop, bad cop deal.  I actually think TK is a very good booker.  As Kriss mentioned, his long-term booking plans keep getting ruined by backstage incidents, but otherwise he has a good idea of the direction he wants to go and builds to it nicely.  He needs to hire someone to lay down the law and be the enforcer.  Perhaps someone with an HR background (I can be available for the right price).  But TK is an absolutely terrible leader and I hope he has the self-awareness to know that.  He's trying to be a friend, not a boss.  He'll never live down the image of him awkwardly nodding along to the nonsense Punk was spewing as he allowed a press conference that should've been joyous after a good show with a big ending go off the rails horribly, without even an attempt to get it under control.  A complete absence of leadership.  He can keep being the owner and keep doing the booking if he has someone else in a position of authority to be the heavy. 


Can you explain what are your expectations of a booker that can qualify Tony Khan to be graded as good, he is a good to great match maker but in terms of booking a storyline or fued and creating worthwhile stars the awards and hype don't pass the smell test.

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Jim_Irish wrote: Agree with most of that but the short term week-to-week booking isn't good at all, to my mind at least. It's usually terrible.

Long term he's done very good stuff with Punk, MJF, Wardlow (though they cooled that as soon as he won the belt), Hangman Page and others.

HOW ....

MJF has the same fued template in every angle, Punk and MJF fued was stupid logically that people allowed to slide because they liked the participants ... Hangman Page whether he didn't to himself for taking a leave during his push or Tony Khan letting Christian pin Omega, and then DB going to a draw with Omega it dampened Hangman win which ruined his whole reign plus DB and Punk being around...
Wardlow and MJF fued was dumb, stopped and started way too many times and then illogical also... and Wardlow got hurt by the work shoot nonsense of MJF and Khan which killed any momentum Wardlow had..


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