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carpetbeggar wrote: For those here who regularly keep up on all the other AEW programming besides 'Dynamite', can you tell me how much you see Colt Cabana wrestle?


For a guy with a name and experience he seems wasted. Every time you see him he is always standing in the background when the Dark Order are on screen. He never says anything during DO promos. I would imagine he is making the most money out of all his Dark Order buddies..Except Adam Page, that is if you even count him as a member.

I'm not sure he could pull it off as he always has to throw in "ha ha, wink, wink" bullshit every time he is on screen, but do you think he could make a passable leader of the Dark Order?

His name pops on on Dark and Elevation somewhat regularly but he’s at the end of his career and as mentioned is working as an agent, as is Christopher Daniels and some of the other veterans. It’s a good role for them to transition out of taking bumps after all these years, and could even result in cushy WWE jobs one day. WWE hired Abyss, Sonjay Dutt, etc. who got experience in this area with Impact. Cabana’s a big indy name but not one with the greatest won-loss record over the past 10 years. He hasn’t been pushed hard anywhere since he was NWA champion, which was a long time ago now. I don’t think any AEW fan is really clamoring to see much more of him. He doesn’t fit into the Dark Order at all and I don’t know why they ever put him there, but now with Brodie dead he is mentoring young talent like Alex Reynolds and Anna Jay. 



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If you were ever unsure if wrestling is real or fake, watch a strap match.



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Alestair Black showed up tonight on AEW and laid out Cody and Arn. I read that WWE fucked up and never signed him to a WWE contract - his entire time on the roster was under his original NXT contract. And NXT contracts only have a 30 day non compete. My question to those that follow this shit closer than I do: How come it seems like every week, WWE fucks something up - something that in years past would NEVER happen. I just don’t think the hand knows what the arm is doing over there right now.



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Superstar wrote: Alestair Black showed up tonight on AEW and laid out Cody and Arn. I read that WWE fucked up and never signed him to a WWE contract - his entire time on the roster was under his original NXT contract. And NXT contracts only have a 30 day non compete. My question to those that follow this shit closer than I do: How come it seems like every week, WWE fucks something up - something that in years past would NEVER happen. I just don’t think the hand knows what the arm is doing over there right now.
AEW did such a WWE thing tonight. This guy debuts and no one is supposed to know he’s there. The announcers act shocked. Excalibur calls him Tommy End, which is fine because that’s been his indy name for years. But then he says he’s now known as “Malakai Black”. When the fuck did you find that out?  How about waiting until next week to say that’s the name he now wants to be known as?  It’s such an easy thing to avoid making this shit seem so fake but no one can do it anymore. Even AEW didn’t try. I call out WWE on this shit every week so I have to do it to AEW too. This isn’t rocket science. 



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Dan Lambert playing the role of Jim Cornette was great, even though he really didn’t get as much heat as I would’ve hoped, probably because the fans had no idea who he was. Lambert was gold in Impact managing Bobby Lashley and I hope AEW brings him in as someone’s mouthpiece full-time.



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Is it pronounced Malakai sort of like Molokai, the Hawaiian Island? I just saw a clip shot directly from some guy's phone at his TV and the audio sucks this way so in the 20 seconds he has it on, you only hear heavy fanboy breathing and "Holy Shit is that Aleister Black???"

I'm hoping actually it gets spelled Malachi and sounds like muh-LAH-chee so there can be a modern day update of the Malachi Crunch from the Happy Days episode about a demolition derby with Pinky Tuscadero.

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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Alestair Black showed up tonight on AEW and laid out Cody and Arn. I read that WWE fucked up and never signed him to a WWE contract - his entire time on the roster was under his original NXT contract. And NXT contracts only have a 30 day non compete. My question to those that follow this shit closer than I do: How come it seems like every week, WWE fucks something up - something that in years past would NEVER happen. I just don’t think the hand knows what the arm is doing over there right now.
AEW did such a WWE thing tonight. This guy debuts and no one is supposed to know he’s there. The announcers act shocked. Excalibur calls him Tommy End, which is fine because that’s been his indy name for years. But then he says he’s now known as “Malakai Black”. When the fuck did you find that out?  How about waiting until next week to say that’s the name he now wants to be known as?  It’s such an easy thing to avoid making this shit seem so fake but no one can do it anymore. Even AEW didn’t try. I call out WWE on this shit every week so I have to do it to AEW too. This isn’t rocket science. 


He posted a video on Instagram earlier in the day where he revealed the new name.



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srossi wrote: Dan Lambert playing the role of Jim Cornette was great, even though he really didn’t get as much heat as I would’ve hoped, probably because the fans had no idea who he was. Lambert was gold in Impact managing Bobby Lashley and I hope AEW brings him in as someone’s mouthpiece full-time.

He's a very good promo, but listing all the old school CWF names was a mistake, because people want to cheer those names, and he trying to elicit a negative reaction, and people really didn't know how to react. Of all the days for someone to try to get booed for mentioning Terry Funk!



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Alestair Black showed up tonight on AEW and laid out Cody and Arn. I read that WWE fucked up and never signed him to a WWE contract - his entire time on the roster was under his original NXT contract. And NXT contracts only have a 30 day non compete. My question to those that follow this shit closer than I do: How come it seems like every week, WWE fucks something up - something that in years past would NEVER happen. I just don’t think the hand knows what the arm is doing over there right now.
AEW did such a WWE thing tonight. This guy debuts and no one is supposed to know he’s there. The announcers act shocked. Excalibur calls him Tommy End, which is fine because that’s been his indy name for years. But then he says he’s now known as “Malakai Black”. When the fuck did you find that out?  How about waiting until next week to say that’s the name he now wants to be known as?  It’s such an easy thing to avoid making this shit seem so fake but no one can do it anymore. Even AEW didn’t try. I call out WWE on this shit every week so I have to do it to AEW too. This isn’t rocket science. 


He posted a video on Instagram earlier in the day where he revealed the new name.

Then he shouldn't have done that.  Have the big reveals on the show.



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: Alestair Black showed up tonight on AEW and laid out Cody and Arn. I read that WWE fucked up and never signed him to a WWE contract - his entire time on the roster was under his original NXT contract. And NXT contracts only have a 30 day non compete. My question to those that follow this shit closer than I do: How come it seems like every week, WWE fucks something up - something that in years past would NEVER happen. I just don’t think the hand knows what the arm is doing over there right now.
AEW did such a WWE thing tonight. This guy debuts and no one is supposed to know he’s there. The announcers act shocked. Excalibur calls him Tommy End, which is fine because that’s been his indy name for years. But then he says he’s now known as “Malakai Black”. When the fuck did you find that out?  How about waiting until next week to say that’s the name he now wants to be known as?  It’s such an easy thing to avoid making this shit seem so fake but no one can do it anymore. Even AEW didn’t try. I call out WWE on this shit every week so I have to do it to AEW too. This isn’t rocket science. 


He posted a video on Instagram earlier in the day where he revealed the new name.

Then he shouldn't have done that.  Have the big reveals on the show.

People still thought he was under a 90-day no compete. He did a promo where he blamed "Matthew" (Buddy Murphy's real name is Matthew Adams) for his black eye, which was a call back to Black calling Velveteen Dream "Patrick" back in NXT. I'm pretty sure we were supposed to think that Malakai Black was going to be his new WWE gimmick.



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For anyone who thinks that hardcore internet fans make up a small percentage of the audience (I don't agree), they made up a lot of last night's crowd. That was a hefty "you got fired" chant for Don Callis. Probably more people chanting than watch Impact.

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I thought last night's show was very good, with a predictably hot crowd. The negatives were the opening match, because strap matches are inherently ridiculous, and Cody is only half as good as he thinks he is. The Pinacle vs Inner Circle match seemed very flat, probably because they have wrestled a few matches now, and this one seemed pointless. Konnan feuding with Tully seems to have been pulled from nowhere. I get why Konnan is there, but I don't see why Tully has a personal issue with him since they are from two completely different eras. Jericho facing the Pinacle in a gauntlet match? AEW rarely book themselves into a corner, but here either old man Jericho defeats the entire Pinacle, or he loses early and we don't get the Jericho MJF match. Usually our would expect DQs and other shenanigans, but AEW defines itself by not using those crutches. Maybe they will find a creative way around this and prove me wrong. Don't get me wrong, this show was a solid B+ and I'm only pointing out the negatives because my Khan money didn't arrive this week.

EDIT: They used the old school playground Bangkok gag. Eye roll. Vince will be so mad that none of writers have ever told him that one. Probably ly his favorite moment in AEW history.

EDIT 2: Karl Anderson vs Moxley for the NJPW US title came from nowhere. Didn't seem right not to have a Mox promo in there.

EDIT 3: A positive comment... Britt Baker's Saudi blood money comment might be the most savage inter-promotional shot across the bow ever.

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Kriss wrote: I thought last night's show was very good, with a predictably hot crowd. The negatives were the opening match, because strap matches are inherently ridiculous, and Cody is only half as good as he thinks he is. The Pinacle vs Inner Circle match seemed very flat, probably because they have wrestled a few matches now, and this one seemed pointless. Konnan feuding with Tully seems to have been pulled from nowhere. I get why Konnan is there, but I don't see why Tully has a personal issue with him since they are from two completely different eras. Jericho facing the Pinacle in a gauntlet match? AEW rarely book themselves into a corner, but here either old man Jericho defeats the entire Pinacle, or he loses early and we don't get the Jericho MJF match. Usually our would expect DQs and other shenanigans, but AEW defines itself by not using those crutches. Maybe they will find a creative way around this and prove me wrong. Don't get me wrong, this show was a solid B+ and I'm only pointing out the negatives because my Khan money didn't arrive this week.

EDIT: They used the old school playground Bangkok gag. Eye roll. Vince will be so mad that none of writers have ever told him that one. Probably ly his favorite moment in AEW history.

EDIT 2: Karl Anderson vs Moxley for the NJPW US title came from nowhere. Didn't seem right not to have a Mox promo in there.

EDIT 3: A positive comment... Britt Baker's Saudi blood money comment might be the most savage inter-promotional shot across the bow ever.

I actually didn't think the crowd was as hot as I expected for a first real show back on the road in front of fans.  It was OK, but other than the sing-along to "Judas", complete with fan run-in and Jericho taking a swing at him and then incorporating it into his promo, I was surprised at how little the full crowd added over the Daley's Place shows.  They had their moments, but I expected more fire from them.  I was thinking Cody and QT killed the crowd right out of the gate, and Cody booking himself in the first match back was so Cody Hearst Helmsley of him.

Britt Baker is awesome and that line was so savage and probably crossing the line that I expect Adam Cole to go through a table on the next 18 NXTs.

WWE really had a remarkably bad day.  Somehow they let AEW get back on the road before them.  Due to a "clerical error", AEW gets a former WWE star to make a surprise appearance on that show.  Britt Baker zings them good.  And this is all hours after finding out that this week's Raw had the worst ratings ever.  The old Vince would've been apocalyptic, but I actually wonder if senile Vince even understands exactly the extent of what happened. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: I thought last night's show was very good, with a predictably hot crowd. The negatives were the opening match, because strap matches are inherently ridiculous, and Cody is only half as good as he thinks he is. The Pinacle vs Inner Circle match seemed very flat, probably because they have wrestled a few matches now, and this one seemed pointless. Konnan feuding with Tully seems to have been pulled from nowhere. I get why Konnan is there, but I don't see why Tully has a personal issue with him since they are from two completely different eras. Jericho facing the Pinacle in a gauntlet match? AEW rarely book themselves into a corner, but here either old man Jericho defeats the entire Pinacle, or he loses early and we don't get the Jericho MJF match. Usually our would expect DQs and other shenanigans, but AEW defines itself by not using those crutches. Maybe they will find a creative way around this and prove me wrong. Don't get me wrong, this show was a solid B+ and I'm only pointing out the negatives because my Khan money didn't arrive this week.

EDIT: They used the old school playground Bangkok gag. Eye roll. Vince will be so mad that none of writers have ever told him that one. Probably ly his favorite moment in AEW history.

EDIT 2: Karl Anderson vs Moxley for the NJPW US title came from nowhere. Didn't seem right not to have a Mox promo in there.

EDIT 3: A positive comment... Britt Baker's Saudi blood money comment might be the most savage inter-promotional shot across the bow ever.

I actually didn't think the crowd was as hot as I expected for a first real show back on the road in front of fans.  It was OK, but other than the sing-along to "Judas", complete with fan run-in and Jericho taking a swing at him and then incorporating it into his promo, I was surprised at how little the full crowd added over the Daley's Place shows.  They had their moments, but I expected more fire from them.  I was thinking Cody and QT killed the crowd right out of the gate, and Cody booking himself in the first match back was so Cody Hearst Helmsley of him.

Britt Baker is awesome and that line was so savage and probably crossing the line that I expect Adam Cole to go through a table on the next 18 NXTs.

WWE really had a remarkably bad day.  Somehow they let AEW get back on the road before them.  Due to a "clerical error", AEW gets a former WWE star to make a surprise appearance on that show.  Britt Baker zings them good.  And this is all hours after finding out that this week's Raw had the worst ratings ever.  The old Vince would've been apocalyptic, but I actually wonder if senile Vince even understands exactly the extent of what happened. 
Vince is trying to figure out why Dave Chappelle won't accept his offer to work on the creative team.



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Brian Pillman, Jr.’s contract with MLW expired yesterday and he has signed an exclusive AEW contract now. I would expect a bigger push.



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