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One of the problems of trying to keep everything straight across different promotions reared its head last night. I think most people know Impact isn't broadcast live, but that makes it hard to keep continuity. Kenny Omega has had his new facial hair on the past two Dynamites, but on Impact he still looks the way he did a month ago.. when Impact was filmed. Facial hair might not be a big deal, but if you try to integrate even two shows, let alone the five or so that are loosely working together via the "forbidden door" there is always a risk that anything that is taped can break the continuity. They clearly weren't thinking "Omega has some unaired Impact episodes with different facial hair, so we can't do that."



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Kriss wrote: One of the problems of trying to keep everything straight across different promotions reared its head last night. I think most people know Impact isn't broadcast live, but that makes it hard to keep continuity. Kenny Omega has had his new facial hair on the past two Dynamites, but on Impact he still looks the way he did a month ago.. when Impact was filmed. Facial hair might not be a big deal, but if you try to integrate even two shows, let alone the five or so that are loosely working together via the "forbidden door" there is always a risk that anything that is taped can break the continuity. They clearly weren't thinking "Omega has some unaired Impact episodes with different facial hair, so we can't do that."
I can’t imagine anyone even remotely caring about that, and Impact has never pretended to be live. As long as they keep the continuity of the angles straight, which isn’t difficult considering there is little real interaction between the shows, I think everyone is fine with it. 



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I recall an episode from that Lonesome Dove western series that Bret Hart appeared on at one time. I wasn't following the series but it happened to be on one week. I saw one scene where someone had been left out to die in the hot sun and was found by someone caring for his injuries. As they switch back and forth between shots, you can see the scene was a mix of edits between the victim having a legitimate beard growth and other times where the beard was painted on, probably filmed a few days or a week prior. Timelines are juxtaposed so much in this world that there is almost no "real time" standard that can be applied except in one's own mental storyboard.

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Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 



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srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

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srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. I think the Young Bucks are just awful.  To be honest, when they were in TNA and wrestling the Motor City Machine Guns every night, I thought they had a great future and then they left to basically become indy wrestlers.  It is at that point where everything changed for them, and I attribute that to them being their own boss and booking their own matches their own way.  As Barnett says, pretty much every match I saw them wrestle in Japan was without psychology, tons of botched spots that nobody in WWE would ever get away with amongst the internet crowd, and all they wanted to do was get all of their spots in.  I'm sure there were good matches I didn't see. 



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?
Barnett never accomplished as much in wrestling as the Bucks have, but he knows what he's talking about.  Watch an entire card where the wrestlers are doing things the right way and then watch a Young Bucks match.  It will be painfully obvious.  With all of my negativity spewed, I also know that the Bucks are the most successful tag team in the history of the sport because the only thing that matters at the end of the day is money.  And they've earned the most.  Not saying they've DRAWN the most, but they've been paid more than any tag team I can ever think of and they have been able to keep that income flowing. 



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I always thought the Bucks did too much in their matches. Strictly personal opinion.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.



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Superstar wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?
Barnett never accomplished as much in wrestling as the Bucks have, but he knows what he's talking about.  Watch an entire card where the wrestlers are doing things the right way and then watch a Young Bucks match.  It will be painfully obvious.  With all of my negativity spewed, I also know that the Bucks are the most successful tag team in the history of the sport because the only thing that matters at the end of the day is money.  And they've earned the most.  Not saying they've DRAWN the most, but they've been paid more than any tag team I can ever think of and they have been able to keep that income flowing. 

They built an empire and took what Colt Cabana started in terms of self-promotion and merchandising on the indy circuit to a different level.  They're marketing geniuses and wound up as EVPs of legitimate competition to WWE.  It's been remarkable.

And if you include non-wrestling income, they still might not be as rich as the Briscoe Bros., who are legitimate millionaires from their farming and landscaping businesses.  It's good for the business when you have entrepreneurial and self-sufficient talents who can tell Vince to fuck himself.    



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.

I watch zero MMA and a lot of wrestling, but he's just a name to me. I've probably heard him somewhere, but on my radar, he's a nobody complaining from the outside about people who are being successful today. He might even be right, but that's not the point.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.

I watch zero MMA and a lot of wrestling, but he's just a name to me. I've probably heard him somewhere, but on my radar, he's a nobody complaining from the outside about people who are being successful today. He might even be right, but that's not the point.

I have no idea what your point is then.



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.

I watch zero MMA and a lot of wrestling, but he's just a name to me. I've probably heard him somewhere, but on my radar, he's a nobody complaining from the outside about people who are being successful today. He might even be right, but that's not the point.

I have no idea what your point is then.

He's entitled to his opinion, but it means nothing. The Bucks have proved that whatever they are doing, they are doing it right. It's like critically analysing the number one song in the charts, or the number one movie at the box office. It doesn't matter if it technically isn't good, or if an expert analyst from the outside has legitimate criticisms, the people have spoken, and this is the what the people want today.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.

I watch zero MMA and a lot of wrestling, but he's just a name to me. I've probably heard him somewhere, but on my radar, he's a nobody complaining from the outside about people who are being successful today. He might even be right, but that's not the point.

I have no idea what your point is then.

He's entitled to his opinion, but it means nothing. The Bucks have proved that whatever they are doing, they are doing it right. It's like critically analysing the number one song in the charts, or the number one movie at the box office. It doesn't matter if it technically isn't good, or if an expert analyst from the outside has legitimate criticisms, the people have spoken, and this is the what the people want today.

Well they’re not as successful in the business as Vince is and people justifiably criticize him all the time. This is a pretty insane statement that because they’ve had some success they’re above all criticism and can’t do anything better. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Josh Barnett was interviewed on Sean Waltman’s podcast and spoke at length about heat between he and Jim Ross and the Young Bucks dating from their time calling NJPW on AXS TV. Barnett says that the Bucks got it into their heads that Barnett and JR were burying them on commentary and couldn’t be convinced otherwise. Barnett fired back and said the Bucks didn’t understand how to be heels and we’re too concerned about being cool, so when Barnett would call them out for cheating the Bucks would act like marks and take it personally. He also said that he and JR actually covered for them repeatedly in trying to explain away their botched spots and why their big moves were always kicked out of. They would make up things to try to protect their finishers as strong when they never resulted in a win, and said that the Bucks should’ve appreciated that because the truth was they just “wanted to get their shit in” and had no psychology. 
What's a Josh Barnett?

Aside from a great MMA fighter, the best pro wrestling color commentator I've heard in the business in 20 years.  And that Mauro Ranallo-Josh Barnett team was as good as anything pro wrestling has ever heard in terms of credibility.  It's not even close.  Barnett even pulled some decent shows out of Jim Ross at a time when Ross was 100 times less interested than he even is now in AEW.

I watch zero MMA and a lot of wrestling, but he's just a name to me. I've probably heard him somewhere, but on my radar, he's a nobody complaining from the outside about people who are being successful today. He might even be right, but that's not the point.

I have no idea what your point is then.

He's entitled to his opinion, but it means nothing. The Bucks have proved that whatever they are doing, they are doing it right. It's like critically analysing the number one song in the charts, or the number one movie at the box office. It doesn't matter if it technically isn't good, or if an expert analyst from the outside has legitimate criticisms, the people have spoken, and this is the what the people want today.

Well they’re not as successful in the business as Vince is and people justifiably criticize him all the time. This is a pretty insane statement that because they’ve had some success they’re above all criticism and can’t do anything better. 


Do I keep defending my flippant remark and create a vortex? Yes. Constructive criticism is fine, but he's basically just saying that he doesn't like something which is both popular and successful. My basic point was that Barnett sounds a wee bit bitter that all he has left in wrestling is a ring with no ropes.



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