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 Posted: Thu Jul 29th, 2021 05:02 pm
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Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: MJF announced that Labor #3 will be the return of…Juventud Guerrera!  That doesn’t seem quite as intimidating. I can’t imagine what this guy looks like 20 years later. Funny you say this.  Juvi randomly popped up on my Instagram feed because I follow Jericho and he mentioned something about a very old match they were involved in.  Juvi looked decent, in solid shape, but I can't imagine he can move the way he did.  But then again, Jericho doesn't even look like himself physically anymore and he does just fine.  I bet they have a better match than he had with Gage.

Anyone who says AEW storytelling is no better or more long-range than WWE's...2 years ago Jericho and MJF were having a friendly conversation and Jericho dropped Juvi's name and told MJF to Google it.  It may very well have been an ad-lib, but it certainly was a line written by Jericho and it was a call-back to Jericho's WWF debut when The Rock made fun of Jericho's feud with Juvi.  2 years later, AEW is using this as part of an angle and dug up the old footage to tie it all together.  I don't think anything like this has EVER been done by WWE in 60 years.  No one would even bring that to Vince's desk without the fear of being farted on and fired on the spot.  AEW is doing "Breaking Bad" shit, and WWE is one long "According to Jim" re-run.



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Tonight Frankie Kazarian made his return to Impact for the first time since May 2014.  Kazarian continued his "Elite Hunter" gimmick from AEW and attacked Kenny Omega.  Next week Kazarian will team with arch-rivals Sami Calihan and Eddie Edwards against Omega and the Good Brothers as they unite against The Elite. 

Unrelated to AEW, but Francine of all people showed up via Facetime when Brian Myers tried to recruit her to be his tag team partner in a mixed tag tournament against Tommy Dreamer and his partner.  Francine turned him down but thanked Myers for spending all that money on her Patreon. 



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srossi wrote: But we got to see the greatest advertising campaign in wrestling history: a Domino’s commercial aired picture-in-picture as Gage repeatedly sliced Jericho with a pizza cutter. Gage needs that exclusive endorsement deal!

So it turns out Domino's was not amused and Nick Gage's dream of an endorsement deal is probably dead.  Domino's Director of Public Relations was made aware of the situation and released a statement: “We share the concerns expressed about this incident and the content of this TV-14 rated program, and are assessing our advertising presence on it going forward."  So Nick Gage cost AEW a major sponsor right out of the gate.



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srossi wrote: srossi wrote: But we got to see the greatest advertising campaign in wrestling history: a Domino’s commercial aired picture-in-picture as Gage repeatedly sliced Jericho with a pizza cutter. Gage needs that exclusive endorsement deal!

So it turns out Domino's was not amused and Nick Gage's dream of an endorsement deal is probably dead.  Domino's Director of Public Relations was made aware of the situation and released a statement: “We share the concerns expressed about this incident and the content of this TV-14 rated program, and are assessing our advertising presence on it going forward."  So Nick Gage cost AEW a major sponsor right out of the gate.

The official Pabst Blue Ribbon account responded with "Yo @AEWonTNT let us get those spots" among a series of tweets referencing pizza-cutter-gate.



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: MJF announced that Labor #3 will be the return of…Juventud Guerrera!  That doesn’t seem quite as intimidating. I can’t imagine what this guy looks like 20 years later. Funny you say this.  Juvi randomly popped up on my Instagram feed because I follow Jericho and he mentioned something about a very old match they were involved in.  Juvi looked decent, in solid shape, but I can't imagine he can move the way he did.  But then again, Jericho doesn't even look like himself physically anymore and he does just fine.  I bet they have a better match than he had with Gage.

Anyone who says AEW storytelling is no better or more long-range than WWE's...2 years ago Jericho and MJF were having a friendly conversation and Jericho dropped Juvi's name and told MJF to Google it.  It may very well have been an ad-lib, but it certainly was a line written by Jericho and it was a call-back to Jericho's WWF debut when The Rock made fun of Jericho's feud with Juvi.  2 years later, AEW is using this as part of an angle and dug up the old footage to tie it all together.  I don't think anything like this has EVER been done by WWE in 60 years.  No one would even bring that to Vince's desk without the fear of being farted on and fired on the spot.  AEW is doing "Breaking Bad" shit, and WWE is one long "According to Jim" re-run.

The good folks at Classics are hilarious with their hate-watching thread (they secretly love AEW) every week. Some people have watched too much WWE that their way of thinking has been messed with. If the opening match last night had been in WWE, Hangman Page would be recycled back into the mid-card, with nothing having been planned after his loss, and he would be waiting for creative to have something for him while all the sympathy for him dissipated. We won't know until we see it, but I'm almost certain that Page has a story coming out of this match. I'd look for Daniel Bryanson to be the next serious contender to Omega.

And if I can be allowed to blow more smoke up Tony Khan's ass. I really like the way that AEW use other company's belts. Some matches and feuds are greatly improved by having a belt involved. If you go the WWE route, though, and have 20 different championships, it becomes too difficult to keep a compelling story going for each one all the time. AEW can just bring in someone else's title when they want to add some spice to a match. They are using the IWGP US title right now, but when they don't need it any more, they don't have to worry about it. They did the same with the NWA women's title, and to a lesser extent, the AAA Mega title.

The main event this week did nothing for me, though. Coming so soon after Callihan-Omega and Cardona-Gage (I hardly ever watch GCW but I watched this because of the hype), it's overload for a style I don't enjoy. I worry that it will eventually garner AEW too much negative press. WWE will be waiting behind the scenes to fan the flames of outrage if AEW get too big for their comfort.

Bottom line, AEW Dynamite is a good to great show every week. For me, they have taken the things that make WWE, and especially Raw, hard to watch, and flipped them. Long in-ring talking segments multiple times during a show, constant re-matches (from last week or from ten years ago), working against the fans, shaky camera angles, boring punch-kick "wrestling" and more selling than action, the same people on top every week, every month, every year, year after year,  the logjam at the top of the card so no one else can break through. All these things turned me off WWE long before AEW came along.



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Interesting article about the whole Domino's deal by Bix:

https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/mainstream-reporter-privately-claims



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Kriss wrote: Interesting article about the whole Domino's deal by Bix:

https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/mainstream-reporter-privately-claims

* The CDC still recommends that you stand 6 feet away from Bix articles or you risk catching his virginity, social awkwardness, and unidentifiable skin condition. 



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Karl Anderson and Tama Tonga are engaging in a Twitter war teasing an upcoming Good Brothers vs. GOD match to see who the greatest tag team in Bullet Club history is. Not sure if they’re running their own angle or if this is in the plans for NJPW, Impact, or AEW.



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Tony Khan did an interview on WON discussing the death match. He says he spoke to TNT ahead of time and made them well aware of what would happen, and they didn’t object. He also said that Jericho not only was willing to do all the spots, but came up with a few on his own and was very excited about his first (and probably only) death match. Khan says he doesn’t expect to do another one on TV anytime soon, but Gage could be back before you know it. 



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Booker T. put over Nick Gage huge on his podcast, at least from an old school personality standpoint:

“I’ll tell you this. Nick Gage, I have never met this dude before in my life. But I’ll tell you, if everyone in this business had the same thought process as a Nick Gage, the business would be in a much, much better place. We are in an era of social media. We are in an era everybody wants their word out to their followers, they want to post something. This guy, Nick Gage, you pull up photos of this guy, and you’ll never gonna see him smiling in any of them. He’s got the same look on his face in every photo, in every picture I have ever seen him in. There is not a picture of him being happy. It’s a picture of a guy who’s getting ready to go into a deathmatch, each and every night. He’s the real deal. As far as what he does and what he brings to the table. So I cannot disparage him at all. The guys in WWE, Impact Wrestling, AEW – they can learn a whole lot from Nick Gage, and that’s just my opinion. I don’t know a lot about him, but when someone sees something different about you in this business, it’s uncanny. When I see Nick Gage – mind you, I’ve never watched any of his wrestling. I’ve never watched one match. But I know when you look at this dude, he isn’t the guy you’re gonna walk up on and say, ‘What about that wrestling stuff ya’ll do?’ Because he might hit you. He’s the real deal. If everybody walked along that same line and took it as serious as this guy does, it would be a much better place.

“I wouldn’t have a deathmatch, but I’m not Chris Jericho. He’s been pretty extreme throughout his career and been willing to throw caution to the wind. I think he may have even done the thumbtack thing before. But for me, it’s not my cup of tea…..I think Gage having a shot on AEW TV, no matter what people think, that’s a big deal for him. I really do. This guy has been the king of the deathmatch, but to make it to primetime and be one of those guys – like New Jack, he didn’t make it to primetime TV. So this guy has put eyes on him, and obviously the brass in AEW think we can get something out of this. I think it could work.”



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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: Riddle me this, how good or bad is AEW? I tried to watch it once, but I couldn't get into it. I hate that three guys hugging on the floor waiting for the 4th guy to climb the ropes and jump on them bullshit. I've bitched about it before, but I can't suspend disbelief that much. If they had their backs to him while he climbed and snuck an occasional peek I could buy it, but 3 guys watching some douchebag climb the ropes to splash them and not getting out of the way is too fucking stupid for me.


Anyway, I came across AWE Botches on the Youtubes, and fuck is that shit embarrassing. I realize that's a compilation over time, but there are at least 14 minutes of God-awful fuck ups and AEW hasn't been in business that long. Jackie Gayda had a fuck up like that and was never seen in a match again.

I've watched a shit ton of wrestling in my days and I've never seen so much horseshit. Is AEWas bad as it seems?

If you search out videos of botches, you’ll probably find them. WWE has been editing there’s out during the Covid era with no fans, which are pretty easy to spot sometimes. their production team is also a little quicker to cut shots as they see a botch developing. 

So on tonight’s Raw, the never-ending feud between Drew McIntyre and Jinder Mahal continues. Why is McIntyre, who was being pushed like Cena during Covid, in this mess I have no idea. But here he is and Shanky is involved. If you don’t know who Shanky is, he makes Giant Gonzalez and Great Khali look like Buddy Rogers. And he’s on TV lumbering around barely able to walk much less get in the ring. And Mahal, Shanky, and Veer get chairs and corner McIntyre, who then is supposed to grab his giant sword (nothing gay here) and fight them off. But he can’t reach it. So they stand there with chairs and wait for him to literally leave the ring and come back in with his sword. And then Mahal just leaves and McIntyre goes to great pains to try not to stab Veer as he headbutts him instead. This takes roughly 65 minutes. All while Shanky stands there with his chair in front of him like he’s hiding a boner. Then McIntyre points his sword at Shanky and Shanky drops his chair and takes roughly 98 minutes to get out of the ring while McIntyre has his sword over his head. And people are going to talk about AEW botches because someone missed a plancha. Get the fuck out. AEW is far from perfect but WWE allows things on TV that I would heckle my 4-year old’s daycare if they put on a play like that. 



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The former Ever-Rise will return to their indy name of 2.0 and make their AEW debuts tomorrow on Dynamite.



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AEW briefly pulled this week’s episode of Dark in order to delete a Max Caster rap, and then re-uploaded the show without it. The original airing featured Caster making reference to Simon Biles’ mental health, the Duke lacrosse team being falsely accused of rape, Covid PCR tests being fake, and valet Julia Hart’s “feminine odor”. Caster writes his own raps and it’s unclear if anyone approves them ahead of time, but no one from AEW seemed to have a problem with it until it was trashed on Twitter for being “extreme right-wing propaganda” that was misogynistic, anti-science, anti-“believe women”, and a whole host of other awful things. Caster is black and his tag team partner is gay, so he’s not exactly the typical poster-child for the right. The rap was available for several hours before being scrubbed.



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srossi wrote: AEW briefly pulled this week’s episode of Dark in order to delete a Max Caster rap, and then re-uploaded the show without it. The original airing featured Caster making reference to Simon Biles’ mental health, the Duke lacrosse team being falsely accused of rape, Covid PCR tests being fake, and valet Julia Hart’s “feminine odor”. Caster writes his own raps and it’s unclear if anyone approves them ahead of time, but no one from AEW seemed to have a problem with it until it was trashed on Twitter for being “extreme right-wing propaganda” that was misogynistic, anti-science, anti-“believe women”, and a whole host of other awful things. Caster is black and his tag team partner is gay, so he’s not exactly the typical poster-child for the right. The rap was available for several hours before being scrubbed.
He was flying close to the sun with his raps the past few weeks. I think it was last week he was rapping about getting an Eiffel Tower (if you are too lazy to look it up on Urban Dictionary, it's taking it from behind and giving a blow job while the two guys high-five). I thought that was a bit off when she's only 18 years old. I know he's a heel, but there is always a line, and I guess this time he crossed it. It was always going to happen eventually, and AEW are probably lucky it's wasn't on television. This is worse than Sammy Guevara's joke, and he had to leave TV and get sensitivity training. I read a lot of people on Twitter bitching about two minutes of TV being cut and saying things to the effect of "we'll never get back to the Attitude Era if this keeps happening." Some people will never be happy, but this kind of nonsense was the stuff that deserves to stay in the past. If this edit upsets you (anyone in general, not you srossi), stick on Aaron Lewis and shake your fist at the sky.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: AEW briefly pulled this week’s episode of Dark in order to delete a Max Caster rap, and then re-uploaded the show without it. The original airing featured Caster making reference to Simon Biles’ mental health, the Duke lacrosse team being falsely accused of rape, Covid PCR tests being fake, and valet Julia Hart’s “feminine odor”. Caster writes his own raps and it’s unclear if anyone approves them ahead of time, but no one from AEW seemed to have a problem with it until it was trashed on Twitter for being “extreme right-wing propaganda” that was misogynistic, anti-science, anti-“believe women”, and a whole host of other awful things. Caster is black and his tag team partner is gay, so he’s not exactly the typical poster-child for the right. The rap was available for several hours before being scrubbed.
He was flying close to the sun with his raps the past few weeks. I think it was last week he was rapping about getting an Eiffel Tower (if you are too lazy to look it up on Urban Dictionary, it's taking it from behind and giving a blow job while the two guys high-five). I thought that was a bit off when she's only 18 years old. I know he's a heel, but there is always a line, and I guess this time he crossed it. It was always going to happen eventually, and AEW are probably lucky it's wasn't on television. This is worse than Sammy Guevara's joke, and he had to leave TV and get sensitivity training. I read a lot of people on Twitter bitching about two minutes of TV being cut and saying things to the effect of "we'll never get back to the Attitude Era if this keeps happening." Some people will never be happy, but this kind of nonsense was the stuff that deserves to stay in the past. If this edit upsets you (anyone in general, not you srossi), stick on Aaron Lewis and shake your fist at the sky.

Tony Khan has publicly renounced the rap as “terrible” and criticized the lack of oversight that allowed it to air. Khan said that he will personally edit Dark and Elevation going forward. 



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