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I have a hard time quantifying 'politics' but there were times when the belt changed hands because of a 'favor owed' and not necessarily what was best for business

I listed NWA-AWA-WWWF but we can go outside the states on this. 

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Otto Wanz, Antonio Inoki, and Giant Baba are 3 obvious ones. But all the NWA ones were basically politics since the Board had to agree and it was based on which territory was going to get the champ for home base.



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Possibly Kerry falls under this at Texas Stadium. David was supposed to get the belt according to legend. Fritz was owed a favor, they let Kerry have the belt for two weeks. The only business that helped was the Texas Stadium draw. I think Flair as traveling/touring champ was probably best for business with the regional faces chasing the belts.



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Subtle politics are in play when an Italian (Sammartino) & Puerto Rican (Morales) are chosen to reign as champions in heavily ethnic WWWF

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The obvious and salacious example of a favor owed was Tommy Rich given a short run as NWA champ by Jim Barnett.



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BitterOldMan wrote: The obvious and salacious example of a favor owed was Tommy Rich given a short run as NWA champ by Jim Barnett.
Ok so how does one get 'the board' to agree to this and then switch it back. Really honestly made no sense.

Wasn't sure to what extent Inoki was a 'political' change. Baba is an obvious one. Beating Race and Brisco.

Did the tag titles ever suffer such a fate?

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BitterOldMan wrote: The obvious and salacious example of a favor owed was Tommy Rich given a short run as NWA champ by Jim Barnett.
Unlikely that’s true though. It was only political in the sense that it maybe popped Georgia for a while. Barnett has plenty of political stroke to make that happen without BJs being involved. 



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srossi wrote: BitterOldMan wrote: The obvious and salacious example of a favor owed was Tommy Rich given a short run as NWA champ by Jim Barnett.
Unlikely that’s true though. It was only political in the sense that it maybe popped Georgia for a while. Barnett has plenty of political stroke to make that happen without BJs being involved. 


Id always heard this belt flip was done to help Jim Barnett in his battle with his outlaw competition. 



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How about 'overseas'?


Any title reigns that came about from 'favors owed' of 'friends of a friend'?


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The Race-Flair switches in Singapore and New Zeland (?) were probably something owed to NWA promoter Steve Rickard. No other reason to have a two day switch on a foreign tour, unless they figured word would spread super fast that a change had happened to try and pop a future house. That seems unlikely to me.

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khawk wrote: The Race-Flair switches in Singapore and New Zeland (?) were probably something owed to NWA promoter Steve Rickard. No other reason to have a two day switch on a foreign tour, unless they figured word would spread super fast that a change had happened to try and pop a future house. That seems unlikely to me.
I always heard they did it without NWA approval as a personal favor, figuring no one else would even hear about it. 



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Jack Brisco's book goes into detail about him brokering his own switch with Baba, and since it wasn't board approved he didn't give Sam Muchnick the standard percentages when he returned.

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srossi wrote: khawk wrote: The Race-Flair switches in Singapore and New Zeland (?) were probably something owed to NWA promoter Steve Rickard. No other reason to have a two day switch on a foreign tour, unless they figured word would spread super fast that a change had happened to try and pop a future house. That seems unlikely to me.
I always heard they did it without NWA approval as a personal favor, figuring no one else would even hear about it. 

This was researched a few years ago. While the title did change hands in New Zealand, this was ignored in Singapore and that was just a regular Flair defence. People just assumed that Flair regained the title.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: The Race-Flair switches in Singapore and New Zeland (?) were probably something owed to NWA promoter Steve Rickard. No other reason to have a two day switch on a foreign tour, unless they figured word would spread super fast that a change had happened to try and pop a future house. That seems unlikely to me.
I always heard they did it without NWA approval as a personal favor, figuring no one else would even hear about it. 

This was researched a few years ago. While the title did change hands in New Zealand, this was ignored in Singapore and that was just a regular Flair defence. People just assumed that Flair regained the title.

Interesting. So it was really more like the Veneno-Flair match, unless they didn't go on New Zealand TV the next week and explain why the title went back to Flair on a technicality.

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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: khawk wrote: The Race-Flair switches in Singapore and New Zeland (?) were probably something owed to NWA promoter Steve Rickard. No other reason to have a two day switch on a foreign tour, unless they figured word would spread super fast that a change had happened to try and pop a future house. That seems unlikely to me.
I always heard they did it without NWA approval as a personal favor, figuring no one else would even hear about it. 

This was researched a few years ago. While the title did change hands in New Zealand, this was ignored in Singapore and that was just a regular Flair defence. People just assumed that Flair regained the title.

I had never heard that before. Interesting. 



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