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 Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2022 03:59 am
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Hogan's tribute is linked above. I guess Jimmy Hart is a Karaoke DJ at Hogan's place.



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 Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2022 05:03 am
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RIP

First saw him the AWA where obviously he was kind of green.  Remember chuckling at the nickname the AWA came up for him. "Big" Scott Hall.

Remember not thinking much of him as Diamond Studd but obviously he really took off when he came to the WWF as Razor Ramon.  Preferred the heel version.

Obviously the Outsiders gimmick was huge until WCW wrecked it with the whole virtually everybody on the roster was in some different NWO faction.

Can't say I saw much of him after that.  Sad way for his life to end but fairly common under the circumstances.  



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srossi wrote: Superstar wrote: srossi wrote: WWE got up the video tribute in the 3rd hour but it wasn't very good, not for someone of his stature. I'd say it's because they didn't have much time, but we all know that they just don't do good videos anymore.When Dusty died, they did close to 6 minutes of video I believe.  Razor doesn’t deserve the Dusty treatment, but let’s be honest - his impact on the business was *almost* as big as Dusty’s if you look at it from the “It Changed The Business” lens.  He was the first huge name to book himself a fully guaranteed contract, he convinced Nash, who really didn’t like the idea of trusting WCW again, to jump with him.  It completely changed the way the boys got paid.  Zack Ryder doesn’t pull in $500k per year from WWE to sit on his ass forgotten about if not for Scott Hall (and yes, it took two to tango so Bischoff paying Hall was part of this too).  Guys like Steve Austin, who had pretty much washed out of WCW, would have never made tens of millions if not for Scott Hall.   As ridiculous as it is to type this, TNA/Impact may have never been formed if not for Scott Hall and Kevin Nash because let’s face it, WCW was failing badly prior to the Outsiders showing up and making them look cool.  Do you think Jerry Jarrett tries to build another promotion if not for WCW showing real success in fighting WWE?  I don’t.  RIP to the Bad Guy.
There is no underestimating the impact of the NWO on wrestling history and everything that came after, and that starts with Hall.  Comparing him to Dusty is apples and oranges, territory days vs. the cable wars, trying to draw a $100,000 gate vs. guaranteed money in the tens of millions.  You obviously needed people like Dusty first to get the business where it went, but by the time the NWO came along they set it off to another level that not even Vince himself could've reached without them existing.  It allows everything we see on TV today to still exist at the exposure it does, not because the product is one tenth as hot but because fans and network executives and money mark promoters keep hoping it will be again if they can just come up with that "NWO" idea. 
No doubt.  The only reason I brought up Dusty was because, unless I’m mistaken, he had the longest tribute video ever.  Even longer than Piper.  A lot of that probably had to do with both Dustin and Cody working there at the time and the other part was that HHH (and pretty much everyone that went through NXT) loved him so much.  I’m sure if they had a better opportunity they could have done a better tribute video, but they still had more time than the effort put into it tonight.  WWE was once the best at this, now after letting so many office people go, you get what you got with that almost half assed tribute.



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"You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here."

Without that, maybe you don't get WCW over-taking WWF. Maybe Vince doesn't get spurred on to change the WWF product into something more captivating. Maybe you lose the whole generation of new wrestlers who were inspired by their fandom and started the early 2000s indie scene which shaped a lot of what we have today. It could have been very different without that moment.

RIP to the Bad Guy.



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It's hardly surprising that an audience who has been taught that what happened last month (sometimes last week) doesn't matter had zero reaction to Kevin Owens's Scott Hall tribute last night.



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Kriss wrote: "You know who I am, but you don't know why I'm here."

Without that, maybe you don't get WCW over-taking WWF. Maybe Vince doesn't get spurred on to change the WWF product into something more captivating. Maybe you lose the whole generation of new wrestlers who were inspired by their fandom and started the early 2000s indie scene which shaped a lot of what we have today. It could have been very different without that moment.

RIP to the Bad Guy.

One of the the most memorable nights in wrestling history, and a lot of 'what ifs' if things hadn't happened the way they happened. Hall meeting with Bischoff started it all. 

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RE: The AWA 'various organization'

A fanbase that does not respond to 'Hey yo' wont know who or what the AWA is/was.

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My uncle basically died the same way a couple of years ago. He fell and broke his hip and died because of blood clot (among other things as he had other health issues) from the surgery. Randomly falling down can be sometimes be deadly.

R.I.P.

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If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.

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Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.



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About 80% of patients are dead within two years of getting a hemi arthroplasty or rod and pinning from a fall. Usually pneumonia is the culprit,but DVTs form from lack of mobility post op coupled with people not using compression stockings or taking anti coagulants

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NJPW was very classy in having numerous remembrances of Scott Hall earlier today.  Kevin Kelly kicked off the English-language broadcast remembering Hall's time in NWO Japan and its influence on Bullet Club.  El Phantasmo had a toothpick in his mouth for his entrance.  And Hiroshi Tanahashi did Hall's strut to the ring. 



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srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.



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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Spatulapup wrote: If I remember correctly Mean Gene fell and broke his hip and was gone not long after. My friend's mom was 62 and went in for knee surgery. She had similar complications and she passed away. He was in shock. I think most people thought Hall would die of something drug or alcohol related.
Well he did.  Years of abuse to his body probably caused the blood clots and heart attack after he broke his hip.  Broken hips set off a chain reaction in unhealthy or aging bodies.
I think the same thing happened more or less to Chris Candido. Only difference was I think he broke his leg.

Maybe. Candido was half Hall’s age and a broken leg is a lot less serious. It was really a freak thing. I don’t know if there was ever a lawsuit, but I feel like something had to be missed at the hospital during surgery. They released him and he was fine and he even worked TNA again in a wheelchair and then he was dead. 



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Watching a lot of old Hall matches from the AWA. Is it just me or did he lean down significantly in those five years between ‘87 and ‘92? Man, he just looks enormous with Hennig in those tag matches and some of the singles against DeBeers. Might just be perception. I’m talking upper body though, he was just massive, and yet you look at him later next to Nash and even Hogan in WCW, and he looks small.

Also- a hidden gem match, the ‘93 Rumble match against Bret. Always loved that one.



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