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 Posted: Mon Sep 26th, 2011 08:03 pm
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PeteF3 wrote: The Lawler-Dutch Mantel feud of 1982 was spectacular. Two of the best matches in the promotion's history, good angles in the middle, and Mantel was positioned as a guy who was clearly Jerry's equal or better.


This is exactly what I clicked on this thread to add.  Very physical and believable feud. I like how they kept both sides babyface, even though their rivarly was very bitter and there was some double crossing and cheap shotting involved. it went back and forth as to who had the advantage as well. They kept hinting that Dutch would turn heel, but I'm not sure if he ever did? I've seen several weeks worth of the feud, but don't recall the resolution.

 

Lawler and Dutch both had excellent feuds with Randy Savage as well. I love all the Memphis Savage stuff I've seen.

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BayouBoogie wrote: I like how they kept both sides babyface, even though their rivarly was very bitter
What was the story behind them feuding with each other as babyfaces?

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I always loved Memphis with that piece of crap dirty ring, and great feuds. I traded with Khawk for a Best of Lawler in Memphis and it is fan-freakin-tastic.

My vote goes for the Terry Funk feud. Still love the empty arena match.


 

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the squared circle wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: I like how they kept both sides babyface, even though their rivarly was very bitter
What was the story behind them feuding with each other as babyfaces?

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I always loved Memphis with that piece of crap dirty ring, and great feuds. I traded with Khawk for a Best of Lawler in Memphis and it is fan-freakin-tastic.

My vote goes for the Terry Funk feud. Still love the empty arena match.


 

They were feuding over the Southern title and just didn't like each other.  I think Dutch was the champ and gave Lawler a shot. They traded it a few times after that and it just got more and more heated. They seemed to REALLY hate each other, but wouldn't turn on their other "allies" or on the fans just because they hated each other so much.  The matches I saw were very physical, much like the Sawyer-Rich feud in Georgia. They'd tease that they would team up against Hart's Family, then they'd tease that one would turn heel, but they just stayed as faces who hated each other. I recall Lawler offering to team with Dutch and Dutch saying he would, then attacking him, but Dutch didn't turn heel. He was back teaming with a face against heels later in the hour. Just said he hated Lawler too much to team with him & was sick of Lawler asking him to team, or something like that.

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Lawler got more out of post-motorcycle crash Kerry than anyone else, and probably more than anyone but Flair pre-crash.


There's a reason the only singles matches of Kerry's that anyone remembers are the Flair title switch and the Lawler match. It sure as hell wasn't Kerry.



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Kerry/Jumbo, Kerry/Flair in Reunion Arena, Kerry/Flair in the cage, and the Kerry/Hayes LLT in the cage would all like to have a word with you.

The Lawler/Dutch feud ended with a barbed wire match that's one of the best Memphis matches of the '80s. It wasn't a bloodbath at all, just an epic fight with the barbed wire essentially serving the same purpose as lumberjacks, keeping everything in the middle of the ring.

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PeteF3 wrote: Kerry/Jumbo, Kerry/Flair in Reunion Arena, Kerry/Flair in the cage, and the Kerry/Hayes LLT in the cage would all like to have a word with you.

The part of my post that said "anyone but Flair" would like to have discussions with you as well.


I'm willing to give you Kerry/Jumbo (haven't ever really seen any Jumbo matches), but Kerry/Hayes matches tend to be looked at historically as better than they actually were because the angle was one of the hottest ever.  Michael Hayes should have a special wing of the HOF for being part of such a nuclear angle yet being so terrible in the ring. It's a strong argument for him being one of the best promos of all time.



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sek69 wrote: PeteF3 wrote: Kerry/Jumbo, Kerry/Flair in Reunion Arena, Kerry/Flair in the cage, and the Kerry/Hayes LLT in the cage would all like to have a word with you.

The part of my post that said "anyone but Flair" would like to have discussions with you as well.


I'm willing to give you Kerry/Jumbo (haven't ever really seen any Jumbo matches), but Kerry/Hayes matches tend to be looked at historically as better than they actually were because the angle was one of the hottest ever.  Michael Hayes should have a special wing of the HOF for being part of such a nuclear angle yet being so terrible in the ring. It's a strong argument for him being one of the best promos of all time.


 

Hayes can make a strong case for best heel of the 80s, particularly 80-86.

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Lawler/Kaufman
Lawler/Idol and Rich
Lawler/Kerry
Lawler/Jimmy Hart
Lawler/Bret Hart
Lawler/Dundee
Lawler/Mantel
Lawler/Valiant
Lawler/Hennig

For my money, almost all Lawler programs are worth watching.



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sek69 wrote: PeteF3 wrote: Kerry/Jumbo, Kerry/Flair in Reunion Arena, Kerry/Flair in the cage, and the Kerry/Hayes LLT in the cage would all like to have a word with you.

The part of my post that said "anyone but Flair" would like to have discussions with you as well.


I'm willing to give you Kerry/Jumbo (haven't ever really seen any Jumbo matches), but Kerry/Hayes matches tend to be looked at historically as better than they actually were because the angle was one of the hottest ever.  Michael Hayes should have a special wing of the HOF for being part of such a nuclear angle yet being so terrible in the ring. It's a strong argument for him being one of the best promos of all time.

No, you said "the Flair title switch" was the only non-Lawler match that anyone remembers (which is absurd to begin with--I'd say the cage match is 10x as famous). There are multiple Flair matches.

"Michael Hayes was all talk and no wrestling ability" is a standard Scott Keith/Bill Watts talking point with no actual basis in reality, or if so only in '90s reality. Hayes was easily the second-best WCCW guy in the ring (behind Kerry--not counting Flair as a "WCCW guy" though it could easily be argued that he should be), and not just for his charisma though that was of course off the charts. Incredible in tags, very good in singles, and as good as short sprints as the LLT cage was as he was in longer bouts. He had the MOVEZ, he knew how to sell, and his timing was superb. And if some of his matches were made by the crowd because of Hayes being able to draw a reaction by blowing his nose...well, I don't know why that should be held against him.

I'd go so far as to say WCCW Hayes was as good or better than WCCW Gordy.

Late '80s Hayes was still pretty good, too. The U.S. title win over Luger is a fine match. I can take or leave the '90s Freebirds but for a solid decade Michael Hayes was a standout worker.

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PeteF3 wrote: sek69 wrote: PeteF3 wrote: Kerry/Jumbo, Kerry/Flair in Reunion Arena, Kerry/Flair in the cage, and the Kerry/Hayes LLT in the cage would all like to have a word with you.

The part of my post that said "anyone but Flair" would like to have discussions with you as well.


I'm willing to give you Kerry/Jumbo (haven't ever really seen any Jumbo matches), but Kerry/Hayes matches tend to be looked at historically as better than they actually were because the angle was one of the hottest ever.  Michael Hayes should have a special wing of the HOF for being part of such a nuclear angle yet being so terrible in the ring. It's a strong argument for him being one of the best promos of all time.

No, you said "the Flair title switch" was the only non-Lawler match that anyone remembers (which is absurd to begin with--I'd say the cage match is 10x as famous). There are multiple Flair matches.

"Michael Hayes was all talk and no wrestling ability" is a standard Scott Keith/Bill Watts talking point with no actual basis in reality, or if so only in '90s reality. Hayes was easily the second-best WCCW guy in the ring (behind Kerry--not counting Flair as a "WCCW guy" though it could easily be argued that he should be), and not just for his charisma though that was of course off the charts. Incredible in tags, very good in singles, and as good as short sprints as the LLT cage was as he was in longer bouts. He had the MOVEZ, he knew how to sell, and his timing was superb. And if some of his matches were made by the crowd because of Hayes being able to draw a reaction by blowing his nose...well, I don't know why that should be held against him.

I'd go so far as to say WCCW Hayes was as good or better than WCCW Gordy.

Late '80s Hayes was still pretty good, too. The U.S. title win over Luger is a fine match. I can take or leave the '90s Freebirds but for a solid decade Michael Hayes was a standout worker.

Hayes on His best day was never ever better then Gordy. Gordy was one of the top 10 werkers in the World during that time. Hayes was a better talker, but not by much

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Not by much?  You think Gordy was anywhere in Haye's league as far as being a talker? 

I don't think so.

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As many fantastic feuds as Lawler, I put the one with Dundee at the top of the heap. Look up "freaky chemistry" in the dictionary, and a pic of these two beating the hell out of each other would be there. Add in the fact theat they were an amazing tag team just makes things even more interesting.

The other feuds that fall in line behind Dundee are against Bock, Idol, Mantell, and with Jarrett against the Moondogs. And you could still go on and on not have any schleps in the bunch.



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