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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 06:38 pm |
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necrosis215
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I've always been fascinated by Rogers' career. One of the best performers ever and certainly years ahead of his time. One of the biggest draws in the business. I do have the original Rogers Record Book but heard there was a new one being collaborated. Anyway, I just wanted to post Rogers' matches as NWA Champion and WWWF Champion. Enjoy! 07/03 Atlantic City Samuel Rivera W 07/04 Davenport Reggie Lisowski W 07/05 Norfolk Abe Jacobs W 07/07 Pittsburgh Antonino Rocca W 07/08 Bridgeport Tony Cosenza W 07/14 Detroit Red Bastien W 07/15 Atlantic City Sweet Daddy Siki W 07/17 Charlotte P.Y. Chung W 07/18 Ansonia Johnny Valentine W 07/19 Commack Johnny Valentine D 07/21 Houston Dory Dixon W 07/24 Ft. Worth Rito Romero W 07/25 Dallas Nick Bockwinkel W 07/26 San Antonio Ricky Cortez W 07/28 New York City Johnny Valentine W 07/29 Chicago Art Thomas W 07/31 Trenton Sweet Daddy Siki W 08/01 Queens (LIC) Doug Kinslow W 08/03 Davenport Reggie Lisowski W 08/04 Pittsburgh Reggie Lisowski W (DQ) 08/08 Queens (LIC) Dick Steinborn W 08/11 St. Louis Ron Etchison W 08/14 Memphis Joe Scarpa W 08/18 Cincinnati The Sheik W 08/19 Milwaukee Bob Ellis W 08/21 Freeport Johnny Valentine W 08/22 Queens (LIC) Lou Klein W 08/23 Marlboro, MD Johnny Valentine 08/28 Brooklyn Sweet Daddy Siki W 08/30 Detroit Ray Stern 09/01 Chicago Pat O'Connor W 09/04 Lodi, NJ Vittorio Apollo D (NC) 09/05 Queens (LIC) Bruno Sammartino W 09/06 Poughkeepsie Great Scott W 09/07 Toronto Frank Townsend W 09/08 Pittsburgh Reggie Lisowski W 09/16 Cincinnati Johnny Barend D (NC) 09/19 Bridgeport Arnold Skaaland W 09/20 Montreal Buddy Rosen W 09/22 Bel Air Billy Darnell 09/23 Philadelphia Antonino Rocca W (DQ) 09/30 Evansville Dennis Hall W (aft) 09/30 Cincinnati Johnny Barend W (eve) 09/ Boston Haystack Calhoun 10/02 Brooklyn Bruno Sammartino L (DQ) 10/03 Dayton The Sheik W 10/06 St. Louis Bob Ellis W 10/07 Columbus Johnny Barend W 10/08 Indianapolis Danno O'Shocker W 10/09 Brooklyn Arnold Skaaland W 10/10 Queens (LIC) Carlo Milano W 10/11 Commack Sweet Daddy Siki W 10/12 Indianapolis Wladek Kowalski W 10/17 Pittsburgh Johnny Valentine W (DQ) 10/21 Newark Art Thomas W 10/23 Charlotte Rip Hawk W 10/24 Dallas Dory Dixon W 10/25 San Antonio Stu Gibson W 10/26 Corpus Christi Mike DiBiase W 10/27 Houston Dory Dixon W 10/30 Ft. Worth Mike DiBiase W 10/31 Dallas Duke Keomuka W 11/03 White Plains Bruno Sammartino W 11/04 Paterson Johnny Valentine W 11/06 Pittsburgh Reggie Lisowski D 11/07 Dayton Buddy Austin W 11/10 Chicago Bruno Sammartino W 11/13 New York City Antonino Rocca W (DQ) 11/16 Toronto Billy Watson W (DQ) 11/20 Memphis Doug Gilbert W 11/21 Dayton Johnny Barend W 11/24 St. Louis Johnny Valentine W (DQ) 11/27 Washington, DC Bearcat Wright D (suffered a broken arm) 12/29 Moline Reggie Lisowski W 1962 01/05 Washington, DC Art Thomas W 01/12 Hempstead Bruno Sammartino W 01/13 Detroit Antonino Rocca W 01/15 Washington, DC Art Thomas W 01/19 Philadelphia Antonino Rocca W (DQ) 01/20 Troy, NY Gene Dubuque W 01/23 Providence Billy Darnell W 01/26 Chicago Johnny Valentine W 02/01 Kansas City Gino Marella W 02/02 St. Louis John Paul Henning D (NC) 02/03 Detroit Larry Chene D 02/05 Pittsburgh Johnny Valentine W 02/08 Toronto Bulldog Brower W 02/10 Queens (LIC) Bruno Sammartino W (aft) 02/12 Charlotte Johnny Valentine W 02/13 Dallas Joe Christie W 02/14 San Antonio Rito Romero W 02/15 Toronto Bulldog Brower W (DQ) 02/16 Houston Dory Dixon W 02/17 Philadelphia Bearcat Wright W 02/19 Washington, DC Johnny Valentine W 02/20 Dayton Moose Cholak W 02/23 Chicago Billy Darnell W 02/24 Detroit Larry Chene W 02/27 Providence Carlo Milano W 03/01 Toronto Bulldog Brower W (DQ) 03/02 Columbus, OH Moose Cholak W 03/03 Cincinnati Antonino Rocca 03/05 Pittsburgh Reggie Lisowski W 03/09 Chicago Shohei Baba W 03/12 Washington, DC Shohei Baba W 03/16 St. Louis John Paul Henning W 03/17 Queens (LIC) Mark Lewin W (aft) 03/17 Philadelphia Miguel Perez W (eve) 03/19 New York City Bob Ellis W 03/20 Providence Antonino Rocca W 03/24 Columbus, OH Moose Cholak W 03/26 Charlotte Johnny Valentine 03/27 Raleigh Johnny Weaver W 03/29 Washington, DC Mark Lewin W 03/30 Chicago Art Thomas W 04/02 Pittsburgh Bruno Sammartino W 04/04 Montreal Ed Carpentier W (DQ) 04/06 St. Louis Johnny Valentine W 04/07 White Plains Johnny Valentine W 04/09 Johnstown Johnny Valentine W 04/13 Chicago Antonino Rocca W (DQ) 04/14 Paterson Mark Lewin W 04/ Chicago Giant Baba W 04/18 Montreal Antonino Rocca W 04/24 Queens (LIC) Bud Cody W 04/27 New Haven Mark Lewin W 05/01 Dallas Duke Keomuka W 05/02 San Antonio Rito Romero W 05/03 Corpus Christi Torbellino Blanco W 05/04 Houston Ciclon Negro 05/07 Pittsburgh Art Thomas W 05/08 Queens (LIC) Tony Altamore W 05/09 Commack Johnny Valentine W 05/11 Houston Pepper Gomez W 05/14 Trenton Art Thomas W 05/15 Providence Antonino Rocca 05/17 Montreal Ed Carpentier W 05/18 Chicago Antonino Rocca W 05/19 Queens (LIC) Pampero Firpo W (aft) 05/19 Philadelphia Ed Carpentier W (eve) 05/23 Kingston Pampero Firpo W 05/25 New York City Bob Ellis D 05/26 Bridgeport Vittorio Apollo Paul Jones W 06/01 New Haven Mark Lewin W 06/05 Dallas John Paul Henning W 06/07 Corpus Christi Stu Gibson W 06/08 Houston Pepper Gomez W 06/09 St. Louis Bill Dromo W 06/10 Akron Bobo Brazil D 06/12 Toronto Bruno Sammartino 06/14 Washington, DC Johnny Valentine D 06/15 St. Louis Johnny Valentine W 06/16 Philadelphia Shohei Baba W 06/18 Seattle Luther Lindsey W 06/19 Portland Billy White Wolf W 06/21 Washington, DC Fred Atkins W 06/22 New York City Bob Ellis W 06/23 Columbus, OH Shohei Baba W 06/25 Quebec City Chuck Bruce W 06/27 Poughkeepsie Shohei Baba W 06/29 Montreal Johnny Rougeau W 06/30 Dayton Bobo Brazil W 07/02 Pittsburgh Reggie Lisowski W 07/04 Atlantic City Johnny Valentine W 07/06 Houston Art Thomas W (DQ) 07/07 Columbus Shohei Baba W 07/09 Freeport Moose Cholak W 07/10 Bridgeport Vic Christy W 07/11 Staten Island Red Bastien W 07/12 Toronto Bruno Sammartino W 07/14 Akron Moose Cholak W 07/16 Washington, DC Bobo Brazil D 07/17 Tampa Don Curtis 07/18 Orlando Mike Paidousis W 07/19 Jacksonville Boris Malenko W 07/20 Miami Beach Len Montana W 07/21 Milwaukee Bobo Brazil W (DQ) 07/24 Providence Bobo Brazil W 07/25 Columbus Shohei Baba W 07/27 Chicago Ed Carpentier W Summer Charlotte Haystack Calhoun W (DQ) Summer St. Louis Joe Tangaro W 07/30 Seattle Shag Thomas L (DQ) 07/31 Vancouver Gene Kiniski W (DQ) 08/01 Winnipeg Billy Watson W 08/02 Toronto Bruno Sammartino L * Sammartino refuses the belt because Rogers is injured. 08/06 Dubuque Antonino Rocca W 08/07 Des Moines Bobo Brazil W 08/09 Montreal Ed Carpentier D (DDQ) 08/10 Pittsburgh Bobo Brazil W 08/11 Atlantic City Antonino Rocca W 08/13 Ft. Worth Cyclops (Bill Savage) W 08/14 Dallas John Paul Henning W 08/15 Lake Charles 08/17 Houston Art Thomas W 08/18 Newark Bobo Brazil L 08/19 Steubenville Bruno Sammartino W 08/25 Akron Art Thomas W 08/28 Dubuque Bobo Brazil L (DQ) 08/30 Toronto Bruno Sammartino W 08/31 Columbus, OH Johnny Barend * Rogers was "injured" in a dressing room confrontation with Karl Gotch & Bill Miller prior to this bout; Rogers subsequently canceled a number of bookings during the month of September. 09/14 Philadelphia Ed Carpentier 09/25 Bridgeport Pete Sanchez W 09/27 Toronto Tim Geohagen W 10/02 Bridgeport Greg Jarque W 10/04 Toronto Bulldog Brower W 10/09 Bridgeport Tony Martinelli W 10/13 Philadelphia Hans Schmidt 10/15 Pittsburgh Ed Carpentier W 10/19 Chicago Ed Carpentier W 10/20 Akron The Mongol W 10/22 Baltimore Antonino Rocca W 10/23 Bridgeport Eugenio Marin W 10/24 New York City Wladek Kowalski W (DQ) (eve) 10/25 Bridgeport Gene Kelly (Kiniski) W 10/26 West Hempstead Antonino Rocca D 10/30 Toledo Bobo Brazil W 10/ Dallas Dory Dixon D (90min) 11/02 St. Louis Ed Carpentier W 11/03 W. Hempstead Bruno Sammartino W 11/05 Pittsburgh Bruno Sammartino D 11/08 Montreal Bob Bedard W 11/09 Chicago Bobo Brazil W (DQ) 11/10 Akron The Mongol W 11/12 New York City Dory Dixon D(double pin) 11/14 Toledo Vittorio Apollo W 11/15 Montreal Arnold Skaaland W 11/19 Baltimore Shohei Baba W 11/20 Ottawa Bruno Sammartino D (NC) 11/21 Montreal Wladek Kowalski L * Rogers suffered a broken ankle in the above bout; Rogers is pinned after his ankle breaks in the first fall; NWA doesn't recognize the title change because the match had been signed as best-of-3 falls. 1963 01/03 Washington, DC Gene Kelly W 01/10 Washington, DC Miguel Perez W 01/12 Philadelphia Bobo Brazil W 01/14 Washington, DC Buddy Austin D 01/16 Montreal Wladek Kowalski D 01/17 Cleveland Bobo Brazil D (NC) 01/18 Chicago Bobo Brazil W 01/19 Philadelphia Bobo Brazil W 01/21 New York City Wladek Kowalski D 01/23 Richmond Ed Carpentier W 01/24 Toronto Lou Thesz L The above courtesy of http://www.wrestling-titles.com/nwa/world/nwa-h-matches/ 1963 Buddy Rogers 25/01/1963 *Awarded by promoters breaking with the NWA, allegedly because they didn’t recognise Buddy’s one-fall loss of the NWA World Heavyweight Title to Lou Thesz on 24/01/1963 in Toronto, ON. On 25/01/1963 Vince McMahon announced the creation of the WWWF. In some accounts Buddy allegedly defeated Antonio Rocca in a fictitious tournament final in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil for the title. In fact, Joe ‘Toots’ Mondt wanted to use Bobo Brazil’s name to say that Buddy beat him for the title in the tournament final. Brazil refused to allow his name to be used so Mondt used Rio de Janeiro, Brazil as a subliminal insult to Brazil for his lack of co-operation. W Bobo Brazil 25/01/1963 New Haven, CT *Introduced as World Wrestling Champion. W Ted Lewin 29/01/1963 Bridgeport, CT W Bobo Brazil 31/01/1963 Cleveland, OH *Texas death match. W Edouard Carpentier 01/02/1963 St. Louis, MO *Referee declared Carpentier unable to continue. W Frank Pickens 02/02/1963 Pittsburgh, PA W Bruno Sammartino 04/02/1963 Pittsburgh, PA *2/3 falls match. Rogers – 2, Sammartino – 1. W Miguel Perez 05/02/1963 Bridgeport, CT D/NC Bobo Brazil 06/02/1963 Baltimore, MD L-P Lou Thesz 07/02/1963 Toronto, ON *Rematch for the NWA Title. Introduced as former NWA Champion. WWWF Title not on the line. Thesz beat Rogers by disqualification Rogers pinned Thesz Thesz pinned Rogers W Dory Dixon 09/02/1963 Cleveland, OH W Killer Kowaski 10/02/1963 Chicago, IL W Buddy Austin 11/02/1963 Washington, DC *Texas death match. W Pedro Morales 12/02/1963 Trenton, NJ W Edouard Carpentier 14/02/1963 Cleveland, OH W Edouard Carpentier 16/02/1963 Paterson, NJ D/NC Larry Chene 19/02/1963 Lansing, MI W Ron Reed 21/02/1963 Washington, DC W-P Killer Kowalski 22/02/1963 Chicago, IL *2/3 falls match. *Billed as a match for ‘a’ World Heavyweight Championship. *Rogers wore the NWA United States Title belt. Kowalski pinned Rogers Rogers pinned Kowalski Rogers pinned Kowalski W-P Bobo Brazil 23/02/1963 Philadelphia, PA W Dory Dixon 25/02/1963 New York, NY W Pablo Iturbi 26/02/1963 Bridgeport, CT W Killer Kowalski 28/02/1963 Cleveland, OH D/NC Gene Kelly 02/03/1963 Pittsburgh, PA W Bobo Brazil 02/03/1963 Newark, NJ D Johnny Barend 04/03/1963 Washington, DC W Roberto Gonzalez 05/03/1963 Bridgeport, CT W Buddy Austin 06/03/1963 Richmond, VA *2/3 falls match. ? Pablo Iturbi 07/03/1963 Washington, DC W Killer Kowalski 08/03/1963 Hempstead, NY W Gene Kelly 09/03/1963 Pittsburgh, PA W Killer Kowalski 11/03/1963 Pittsburgh, PA W Gene Kelly 14/03/1963 Washington, DC W Buddy Austin 16/03/1963 Jersey City, NJ W Killer Kowalski 18/03/1963 Pittsburgh, PA W Gene Kelly 21/03/1963 Washington, DC W Killer Kowalski 22/03/1963 Chicago, IL W Pete Sanchez 23/03/1963 Bridgeport, CT W-P Johnny Barend 25/03/1963 New York, NY L Dory Dixon 28/03/1963 Cleveland, OH *Dixon was billed as the first WWWA World Heavyweight Champion, partly run by Vince McMahon. WWWF Title not on the line. W Bobo Brazil 29/03/1963 Hempstead, NY W Ron Reed 02/04/1963 Bridgeport, CT D Johnny Barend 04/04/1963 Washington, DC W-COR Dory Dixon 05/04/1963 Chicago, IL *Rogers was never recognised as WWWA World Heavyweight Champion, perhaps due to the countout win. WWWF Title not on the line. W Leon Smith 06/04/1963 Baltimore, MD W Bobo Brazil 06/04/1963 Baltimore, MD NC Bruno Sammartino 11/04/1963 Washington, DC *Given the actual title belt before the match. W Bulldog Brower 16/04/1963 Ottawa, ON NS Dory Dixon 18/04/1963 Cleveland, OH *No showed due to probable heart procedure. NS Edouard Carpentier 20/04/1963 Boston, MA *No showed due to probable heart procedure. Reason given was that Rogers was suffering from pneumonia. The Shadow (Clyde Steeves) substituted for Rogers. ? ? 29/04/1963 Highland Park, NJ ? ? 01/05/1963 Kingston, NY W Vittorio Apollo 03/05/1963 West Hempstead, NY W Johnny Barend 04/05/1963 Newark, NJ W Pete Sanchez 09/05/1963 Washington, DC L-DQ Bobo Brazil 13/05/1963 Washington, DC W Pete Sanchez 16/05/1963 Washington, DC L-S Bruno Sammartino 17/05/1963 New York, NY The matches with Dixon for the WWWA Title have been discussed on the KM message board. It is believed this could have been the promotion that kickstarted McMahon et al into going solo from the NWA. The match vs. Kowalski is fairly significant and there is even a copy of it on film. necrosis215
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 06:44 pm |
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clawmaster HALL OF FAMER
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" 10/25 Bridgeport Gene Kelly (Kiniski) W" This Gene Kelly was a jobber. It wasn't Kiniski.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Ron
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clawmaster wrote: " 10/25 Bridgeport Gene Kelly (Kiniski) W" umm... Your both wrong on the date and oppents, only half is correct.  I will get the newspaper clippings for this. I think the Gene Kelly match was the week before against Rogers, and was a handicap match. The date is wrong because they were runnong on Tuesdays. They DID NOT run a tuesday card and then a Thrursday card. Be back in a little bit with the clippings for this to make sure I am sure of what I am typing here. Last edited on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:21 pm by Ron |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:23 pm |
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necrosis215
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Thanks guys, just to mention I did pull that straight from the site which, as we know, isn't 100% correct. necrosis215
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:31 pm |
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Kriss Citizen of nowhere 
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You know, I used to love Hisa's site, but I hardly use it now. He takes the time to update the title changes for every tiny indy fed running under the NWA or AWA name now, but his historic records reflect nothing of the great research done by people such as the fine historians on this board. Just by spending one day on the KM results board, or this one if he is a member, would yield many many new results, and possibly remove the bad ones, which people like myself when I knew no better, were taking as fact. I really feel that title histories should be recorded accurately, and anyone attempting to do so needs to go back to verified results and start from scratch. WTH (a great work at the time) and Hisa's site can't be used as a source anymore. That became a bit of a rant, didn't it?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:34 pm |
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Ron
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They had 3 handicap matches that night. Rogers, Brazil & Apollo all participated in that style match. October 16, 1962 Bridgeport, CT Buddy Rogers beat Rocky Storm, Gene Kelly - (Handicap Match)  As stated above, their was no Bridgeport card on the 25th and Kelly fought against Rogers on the 16th in a handicap match.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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Ron
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Rogers was never recognised as WWWA World Heavyweight Champion, perhaps due to the countout win. WWWF Title not on the line. That I do belive makes me want to dig out more old clippings. I could swear I have something that states him as that champion, from newspaper clippings.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 07:43 pm |
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Again Ron, it's only with these clippings that we're finding out title changes occurred. I did get the original information from Will & Duncan's WTH 4th edition. Look forward to seeing what you can find. Thanks again mate. necrosis215
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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I am knocking out the entire greater Capitol promotion for the late 50's to the early 60's at present. It is why seeing two Bridgeport dates that close caught my eyes. I am sure I have a lot of Rogers dates that are not above. Who ever is doing the new book can just go to my site when it is done and get them their and credit me or my site is how I see it. I am doing the Capitol promotion city by city and day by day. So if soeone is going to use what I post, I feel I should be credited appropriately because it is my time and money, doing something no one else has done. Tearing apart a promotion for accuracy, and revealing all the dates that can be forund. Why am I being so anal about accuracy? It started with Keith Greenburg and Wayne Coleman's advice to me. If I am going to do anything related to this business, do it like the others do not, as in be unique. Go for accuracy, and grab everything you can to back things up. Because their is no accuracy in most things out their. As for Hisa's site... Here is a post I did back in 2005. http://www.wrestling-titles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=4168 It went totally ignored for 19 months dealing with the Florida Title. Wait let me say this again, IT WENT 19 FUCKING MONTHS. Bushinyou was asking me why I do not drop off title changes that I find to other sites. I pointed him to that topic. So he made a reply in it. Then Hisa replied the next day to it. But yet it sat for 19 months. Look at the posting dates. It verifies how long it sat their. He moved that topic into the CWF forum. Other title stuff I posted the topics dissapeared totally off that board. Now I also had the Texas Brass Knucks title changed at his site. Nothing I did their got me any credit in his section for crediting the correct users for helping out with title changes. If you read his reply back to Bush, after I read the last sentenced I was like... WTF? My shit sat their for 19 months ignored till someone else replies in it, and I read that like it implied I need to go do more research for site who doesnt give a shit? Add that with a email I got from his site asking me roughly the following: Would I e-mail him the stuff rather than posting it on the message board. He doesnt want corrections posted on his messageboard because they can be misleading and unreliable or some shit. Hell I was giving him the documented stuff with the original clippings with the links to the shit. He mentioned something about not wanting to have to screen the posts for accuracey. I wrote that site goodbye in my mind. Yes I know I can be a dick at times with how I see and view things, but with stuff like that I am entitled to be a dick when I feel the research is wasted, when I go out of my way for things that are not in my schedule of researching, thinking I am going to help out a certain project. Last edited on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 08:39 pm by Ron |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:13 am |
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To put this back on topic, I will add a few Buddy Rogers dates. November 6, 1962 Bridgeport, CT Buddy Rogers won by submission over Bob Boyer November 16, 1962 New Haven, CT Buddy Rogers, Johnny Barrend vs Dory Dixon, Antonino Rocca November 27, 1962 Bridgeport, CT Match cancelled due to Rogers injury. Buddy Rogers vs Pete Sanchez December 26, 1962 Bridgeport, CT Buddy Rogers vs Pete Sanchez This is odd because Buddy "killer" Austin interfered with the match when Rogers was pumelizing Sanchez. Austin enters the ring to save Sanchez and has blows with Rogers. Rogers leaves the ring and refuses to enter to finish his match. Austin then turns and attacks Sanchez and puts him into a submission hold, and wins the match. WTF??? Last edited on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:15 am by Ron |
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