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 Posted: Tue Oct 25th, 2011 02:43 pm
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AoTl0cLnnSQrI2B2yimwVShDubYF?slug=ap-winlessdolphins

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Owner Stephen Ross courted Jim Harbaugh last January before sticking with Sparano, and there’s speculation Ross will pursue another big name, such as Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden or Steve Fisher.

At this point, UM's old basketball coach could do no worse than Sparano.

Actually, I thik it's supposed to read Jeff Fisher, unless there is a football Steve Fisher I don't know of (very possible)..

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Ya know he took over a 1-15 team and got them to the playoffs the next year and somehow someway that convinced Miami management that they had playoff-caliber talent.

Definitely underperformed since then and they probably are better off if they lost the rest of their games and (as Claw pointed out yesterday) hope Indy and St Louis stumble on a win (they have softer schedules)

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Once it was found out that the owner talked to Harbaugh, he knew his time was limited.  I really think he doesn't give a shit this year because he knew he wasn't going to make it through the year no matter what they did

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Don't hate the coach, hate the GaMe. This was one of the signs held by a Lions fan during the Matt Millen era, only it read players instead of coach. Jeff Ireland is just as bad as Rick Spielman was.

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They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

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HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......
To be fair, once a team is turned around, he tends to lose interest. 

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HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.

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krazykid18 wrote: HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.

The Patriots never did shit again ... as in one losing season in the 14 years since he left. Actually, the Patriots had more losing seasons under Parcells (2) than they have had in the 14 years since (1).

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BayouBoogie wrote: krazykid18 wrote: HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.

The Patriots never did shit again ... as in one losing season in the 14 years since he left. Actually, the Patriots had more losing seasons under Parcells (2) than they have had in the 14 years since (1).
Ok so you are agreeing with me or you arguing with me because we are saying the same exact thing that HBF is wrong that Parcells leaves franchises ruined.

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It seems to me, that the Dolphins are the only team that he improved and when they left, they imploded, which gives credence to him being smarter than the owners

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krazykid18 wrote:
HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.


Fair enough. I questioned my own original post and can't decide if it's good or bad to hire him. Does he turn teams around-yes, definitely. Does he leave as soon as he does (post-Giants)-yes. Does it almost always end badly-yes. Does the team initally do worse?
Giants-Yes. Ray Handley era was terrible.
Pats-they had a few dismal seasons with Pete Carroll until Belichick.
Jets-Al Groh didn't do that great but the team was relatively solid. I think that franchise can thank their stars they hired Parcells since he did turn the franchise completely around.
Dallas-he turned them around but the Phillips era was a disaster.
Miami-when he left, he left a team with no weapons under than Brown and Williams (who are both gone now), no real QB, no DB's, and an aging D. I think his teams drafted very poorly and he just up and bailed.

If you need a quick-fix, he's the man. Will he build you a long-term stable program? No.



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HBF wrote: krazykid18 wrote:
HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.


Fair enough. I questioned my own original post and can't decide if it's good or bad to hire him. Does he turn teams around-yes, definitely. Does he leave as soon as he does (post-Giants)-yes. Does it almost always end badly-yes. Does the team initally do worse?
Giants-Yes. Ray Handley era was terrible.
Pats-they had a few dismal seasons with Pete Carroll until Belichick.
Jets-Al Groh didn't do that great but the team was relatively solid. I think that franchise can thank their stars they hired Parcells since he did turn the franchise completely around.
Dallas-he turned them around but the Phillips era was a disaster.
Miami-when he left, he left a team with no weapons under than Brown and Williams (who are both gone now), no real QB, no DB's, and an aging D. I think his teams drafted very poorly and he just up and bailed.

If you need a quick-fix, he's the man. Will he build you a long-term stable program? No.
But can you really blame him, if the team decides to go in the other direction after he leaves though?

If I am say a GM, and I hire a great coach, get decent players signed to long term deals, and get a good successor lined up as a coach in case the coach leaves, and I then leave the team in better shape then when I arrived, and the owners, after I leave, decide to sack the coach, trade the players I had signed long term, and force the successor coach to leave, how does that make me the bad guy when I had zero to do with what the owner did after I left?

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HBF wrote: krazykid18 wrote:
HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.


Fair enough. I questioned my own original post and can't decide if it's good or bad to hire him. Does he turn teams around-yes, definitely. Does he leave as soon as he does (post-Giants)-yes. Does it almost always end badly-yes. Does the team initally do worse?
Giants-Yes. Ray Handley era was terrible.
Pats-they had a few dismal seasons with Pete Carroll until Belichick.
Jets-Al Groh didn't do that great but the team was relatively solid. I think that franchise can thank their stars they hired Parcells since he did turn the franchise completely around.
Dallas-he turned them around but the Phillips era was a disaster.
Miami-when he left, he left a team with no weapons under than Brown and Williams (who are both gone now), no real QB, no DB's, and an aging D. I think his teams drafted very poorly and he just up and bailed.

If you need a quick-fix, he's the man. Will he build you a long-term stable program? No.
But can you really blame him, if the team decides to go in the other direction after he leaves though?

If I am say a GM, and I hire a great coach, get decent players signed to long term deals, and get a good successor lined up as a coach in case the coach leaves, and I then leave the team in better shape then when I arrived, and the owners, after I leave, decide to sack the coach, trade the players I had signed long term, and force the successor coach to leave, how does that make me the bad guy when I had zero to do with what the owner did after I left?


I'm not faulting you at all, but I'm saying that the Tuna is for the Tuna and nobody else. That's all I'm saying.



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krazykid18 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: krazykid18 wrote: HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.

The Patriots never did shit again ... as in one losing season in the 14 years since he left. Actually, the Patriots had more losing seasons under Parcells (2) than they have had in the 14 years since (1).
Ok so you are agreeing with me or you arguing with me because we are saying the same exact thing that HBF is wrong that Parcells leaves franchises ruined.



Well, genius, if I am saying the same thing as you, what do you think?

 

At least you asked this time. You've vehemently argued with me for agreeing with you more than once before. You operate way too much on prejudice and assumption, rather than using your brain and actually assessing each situation as is.

 


 

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HBF wrote: krazykid18 wrote:
HBF wrote: They are a disaster, much like everything that Parcells leaves in his wake. I love Bill as a HC for what he did with the Giants but he burns the city down when he leaves town. I'm not sure that's entirely fair in this case as he (again) took a totally shitty team and turned it around, but look at the history of teams and organizations after he leaves.

The more I think about it, that might be an endorsement for him. But he never stays.......

So wrong can you backup what you just said because besides that Dolphins what organization did he destroy the Jets have been very successful since 97 with numerous playoff appearances and winning records, the Giants in 93 were one game away from being the best team in the NFC, and Cowboys have been fairly good franchise since he left.


Fair enough. I questioned my own original post and can't decide if it's good or bad to hire him. Does he turn teams around-yes, definitely. Does he leave as soon as he does (post-Giants)-yes. Does it almost always end badly-yes. Does the team initally do worse?
Giants-Yes. Ray Handley era was terrible.
Pats-they had a few dismal seasons with Pete Carroll until Belichick.
Jets-Al Groh didn't do that great but the team was relatively solid. I think that franchise can thank their stars they hired Parcells since he did turn the franchise completely around.
Dallas-he turned them around but the Phillips era was a disaster.
Miami-when he left, he left a team with no weapons under than Brown and Williams (who are both gone now), no real QB, no DB's, and an aging D. I think his teams drafted very poorly and he just up and bailed.

If you need a quick-fix, he's the man. Will he build you a long-term stable program? No.

Pats weren't that dismal under Carroll, though they did regress. They had 10, then 9, then 8 wins while he was there.  Two of Parcells' four seasons were worse than that. One of Bellichick's was.

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