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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 08:14 am
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UFC 144 weigh-in: ‘Rampage’ Jackson misses weight badly, Ryan Bader fight still on


The rumors of Quinton Jackson having a lousy training camp appeared to have been true based on his condition when he stepped on the scales tonight in Tokyo.

The former UFC light heavyweight champion missed the 205-pound limit by six pounds at 211.

The non-title fight will go on as planned with Jackson giving up 20 percent of his purse to Bader. Based on Jackson's salary from recent fights, that amount could be in the $50,000 range. Jackson was paid $250,000 in his fights at UFC 130 and UFC 135.

Even at 211, Jackson's face showed the wear of trying to make weight. He was also a little softer than normal in his chest. Both main event fighters, Frank Edgar and Benson Henderson, made weight for their UFC lightweight title fight at 154 pounds. Henderson, the much bigger fighter, was incredibly cut in the midsection.

Rich Franklin, serving as an analyst on Fuel TV, called Jackson's miss "ridiculous."

During his interview with Fuel's Ariel Helwani, Jackson said he suffered an injury early in training camp and couldn't get in his roadwork. The injury, which Jackson would not disclose, was healed later in camp, but by then he was still very heavy. Jackson said he woke up at 3 a.m. local time to cut weight and he was only able to go from 232 down to 211.

Is that last sentence accurate? I'm not really up on these things.

Did he really cut 22 lbs in one day? Is that even possible? Or does it refer to his entire camp?



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 Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 08:46 am
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You can lose that much in one day in water weight if you bake yourself in a sauna while wearing one of those suits that looks like a garbage bag.

It's not healthy by any means, but possible.



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When I boxed, I cut almost 18 lbs in a day (LH limit was 178 and I was walking around mid 190's) This was towards the end of my career when I should have been walking around at closer to 220-230 lbs but I didn't want to fight as at Heavy or Super Heavy. It can be done. I shadowboxed on and off for hrs in a suit in a sauna to lose the weight, but ended up needing an IV along with oral fluid replacement. It was pretty much at that point that I knew it was time to quit this altogether. 

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On the last Ultimate Fighter, they actually showed a bit of the techniques used to cut a big quantity of weight in a short period of time. IIRC, they had one the guy in question sitting in a just shy from scalding hot salt bath, and then immediately put him in bed under a ton of blankets.

As sek said, the majority of that weight is going to be water weight. They pull that same shit on "The Biggest Loser" (not quite to that extreme, but still) just prior to weigh in so that the numbers reflect this perceived remarkable accomplishment.



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You'll also see athletes using a lot of diuretics like lasix.

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wouldn't that weight simply come back after the fight though, once they start rehydrating?

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mike3775 wrote: wouldn't that weight simply come back after the fight though, once they start rehydrating?

Actually, most of it takes place in the 36 hours between weigh-in and fight time, since UFC weigh ins are the day before the fight.  Most of the fluids are replenished by iv.



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thunderbolt wrote: mike3775 wrote: wouldn't that weight simply come back after the fight though, once they start rehydrating?

Actually, most of it takes place in the 36 hours between weigh-in and fight time, since UFC weigh ins are the day before the fight.  Most of the fluids are replenished by iv.
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Like everyone has mentioned it is possible. way back when I was in High School it was common practice for the wrestlers to spit in a cup all day on match days. They would take different drink combos as well to flush there system & fast up until the weigh in time. Then once the weigh in was complete they would eat & be good to go.

Wearing a garbage bag under regular clothing was a pretty common trick as well

I'm not much of a boxing fan but I remeber back in the early 00's there was a fighter that would have huge weight swings between weigh in & fight time I just can't think of his name.



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Franchise wrote: Like everyone has mentioned it is possible. way back when I was in High School it was common practice for the wrestlers to spit in a cup all day on match days. They would take different drink combos as well to flush there system & fast up until the weigh in time. Then once the weigh in was complete they would eat & be good to go.

Wearing a garbage bag under regular clothing was a pretty common trick as well

I'm not much of a boxing fan but I remeber back in the early 00's there was a fighter that would have huge weight swings between weigh in & fight time I just can't think of his name.

It may not be who you are thinking of, but James Toney used to have some ridiculous weight swings between weigh-in and fight time.  Sometimes close to 20 pounds, especially before his first fight with Roy Jones Jr..



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Franchise wrote: Like everyone has mentioned it is possible. way back when I was in High School it was common practice for the wrestlers to spit in a cup all day on match days. They would take different drink combos as well to flush there system & fast up until the weigh in time. Then once the weigh in was complete they would eat & be good to go.

Wearing a garbage bag under regular clothing was a pretty common trick as well

I'm not much of a boxing fan but I remeber back in the early 00's there was a fighter that would have huge weight swings between weigh in & fight time I just can't think of his name.

Arturo Gatti would have such large swings that he would sometimes come into fights as say a Lightweight or Jr Welter, 15-20 lbs bigger than his opponent. When he smashed up Joey Gamache, Gamache actually sued on this basis

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-07-11/sports/17929683_1_joey-gamache-arturo-gatti-nysac

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It was Gatti

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whatever happened in that case?

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Franchise wrote: Like everyone has mentioned it is possible. way back when I was in High School it was common practice for the wrestlers to spit in a cup all day on match days. They would take different drink combos as well to flush there system & fast up until the weigh in time. Then once the weigh in was complete they would eat & be good to go.

Wearing a garbage bag under regular clothing was a pretty common trick as well

I'm not much of a boxing fan but I remeber back in the early 00's there was a fighter that would have huge weight swings between weigh in & fight time I just can't think of his name.

Yeah, I wrestled in Jr High and HS. One of things we used to do on meet days was sit in the drying room, in sweats, and spit into a garbage can. Of course, most of us were only trying to cut 4-5 lbs. I couldn't imagine trying to cut 22 lbs or more in one day.

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mike3775 wrote: whatever happened in that case?

According to Wikipedia: "The case was tried and decided by Judge Melvin Schweitzer, who found the State negligent in its lax handling of the pre-fight weigh-in. The judge, who was not convinced that the negligence was a substantial factor in causing an injury, did not award any damages. Gamache considered the verdict a win.[10][11]"

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