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 Posted: Fri Dec 11th, 2015 05:07 pm
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Tom Verducci penned a piece earlier this week absolutely confirming what I already knew, argued, and caught a bunch of shit back from by a group of advanced stats geeks: That Jason Heyward is an average player who has only youth and defense on his side and that he's not worth $100mm, much less $200mm (or $300mm like absolute retard Cliff Corcoran of SI stated!).
http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/12/09/jason-heyward-free-agent-winter-meetings

The argument among stats geeks is that his WAR is off the charts. It factors in his defense in RIGHT FIELD (least amount of chances to affect a game) and gives that priority over his average to weak offensive production.  From memory, Heyward hits about .268, hit 13 hrs this year, and has never exceeded 82 RBIs. Simply put, he's nowhere near "peak or even young" Ken Griffey Jr. whatsoever and that's the kind of guy who should receive the blank check.  I watched him in Atlanta and he's not clutch and, frankly, a pussy.  I'd say his peak potential MAY be that of Paul O'Neill, which he's already reached according to stat geeks. 

Since his defense (greatest attribute) is going to decline and he can't really hit, this has the potential to be the single greatest failure of a long-term contract in the history of MLB, IMO.

What do you guys think 1) about Heyward 2) about the ridiculousness of advanced stats?



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He's not even as good as Lorenzo Cain and I wouldn't pay Cain anywhere near big $$$.

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 Posted: Fri Dec 11th, 2015 06:24 pm
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The advanced stats have this guy up there with Harper and Mike Trout. They're fucking nuts.  Those are the guys you break the bank for, not this clown.

I think the advanced stats are now coming full circle, where they once served some purpose but are now counter-productive.

I seriously hope that the Yankees aren't stupid enough to sign this guy.



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Looks like it's going to be the Cubs.   I'm going to venture a guess that Claw wouldn't be too happy.


Advanced stats are what sports analysts and a large % of fan bases have been spanking themselves of to for awhile now and it gets worse and worse every single day where on certain boards if you comment and it doesn't contain advanced stats you are viewed as an idiot.


I've always preferred the hard metrics real sports fans are used to and have been using for time immemorial as well as the good old fashioned eye test.

Professional sports team owners never learn though.  It's all about throwing more money at whatever toy is trending the most over some other owner than actually focusing on building a winner.

This was discussed before in another thread but I remember thoroughly enjoying and devouring the Bill James Baseball Abstracts and would likely reread them today if i could find them.  The only book I have handy is a best of called I think, This Time Let's Not Eat The Bones.

Teams focus way too much on the "big names" in FA when every year some bargain bin players end up being invaluable cogs to certain teams including teams that make the post season and go on to win.  Guess owners haven't seen enough overpriced so called superstars under perform on teams with bloated salaries.



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Jason Heyward switched sides in one of the game's most heated rivalries, leaving the St. Louis Cardinals to sign a contract with the Chicago Cubs, a mega deal that shakes up the National League Central and continues the Cubs' aggressive efforts to win a World Series.

A person with direct knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports that Heyward has agreed to terms with the Cubs. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the agreement has not yet been finalized.

His addition gives the Cubs a premier defensive outfielder, though for now, Heyward will be slated to play center field when he's typically more suited for a corner position. Still, flanked by power hitting Kyle Schwarber and Jorge Soler, Heyward gives the Cubs a loaded outfield and solid lineup presence.

Heyward was in the rare position of hitting the market at 26 years old, and he may yet develop more power than the 13 homers he hit this season for St. Louis, or the career-high 27 he slugged in 2012, with the Atlanta Braves.

He also has a career .353 on-base percentage, and combined with the acquisition of Ben Zobrist (.355 career OBP), gives the Cubs admirable plate discipline in a lineup surrounded by mashers like Rookie of the Year Kris Bryant, Schwarber and All-Star first baseman Anthony Rizzo.

The Chicago-Sun Times first reported the Cubs landed Heyward, choosing them over the Cardinals and Washington Nationals.

And where does that leave the Cardinals? A person familiar with the Cardinals' thinking indicated they will heavily pursue Kansas City Royals left fielder Alex Gordon, who figures to command about half the years and dollars as Heyward. Gordon, too, is an elite left fielder, but at 31, his best offensive days are behind him.

Heyward's signing finally loosens the deep market for left fielders, as Gordon, Yoenis Cespedes and Justin Upton now have a far better idea of their potential landing places. The Cardinals, San Francisco Giants and Los Angeles Angels are among the clubs expected to remain aggressive in pursuit of left fielders.

It also gives the Cubs an enviable young core: Six of their eight projected position players will be 26 or younger on Opening Day.

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Cubs made a big mistake.



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HBF wrote: Cubs made a big mistake.


The Twitter meltdown from Cardinals fans about this makes it all worth it- and I'm not much of a baseball fan

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3setsof10 wrote: HBF wrote: Cubs made a big mistake.


The Twitter meltdown from Cardinals fans about this makes it all worth it- and I'm not much of a baseball fan

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Are they upset over the defection? I'd be happy my team didn't hand out the worst contract in the history of MLB.



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Heyward is 26 years old, its not like he's 33 signing a long term deal. He's years away from his defense declining barring injury. He'll provide exactly what the Cubs are looking for in this contract.



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Friggin' Epstein never learns. This reeks of his 2011 Carl Crawford move, particularly the part about Heyward not having a place to play. Must be nice to run a team in which you pick up whatever free agent is on the market as opposed to, you know, actually filling a need. 

50 years from now, long after Epstein in retired from the game, I think we'll understand better that Theo's primary talent as a GM was in hooking up with teams with limitless bankrolls. And I say this as a Red Sox fan. 

Last edited on Sun Dec 13th, 2015 07:18 pm by dogfacedgremlin34



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silentkiller wrote: Heyward is 26 years old, its not like he's 33 signing a long term deal. He's years away from his defense declining barring injury. He'll provide exactly what the Cubs are looking for in this contract.They overpaid by more than double, that's all.  It's an awful contract even if he performs to his statistical history.  He's basically present-day Brett Gardner but younger, and worse than Carl Crawford at his peak.



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Tom Verducci called this from the beginning and is still on that parade. The Cubs are fucked. http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/07/06/jason-heyward-clayton-kershaw-stats



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