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Definitely one of the best of all-time. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/07/sports/hockey/jaromir-jagr-nhl-draft-1990.html



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 Posted: Tue Apr 12th, 2016 04:43 am
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Fun fact, Jagr would've been a Flyer, but they were afraid that he would never come to North America.

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As usual the Leafs fucked it up. How Drake Berehowsky played over 500 NHL games is a mystery. Oh yeah, the league over-expanded. They left Brad May, Keith Tkachuk, and Martin Brodeur on the board. Still, it's not as bad as the next year, 1991, when the Devils selected Scott Niedermayer with the third overall pick, a pick they'd received from the Leafs in exchange for Tom Kurvers.

It's a marvel to wake up each morning in 2016 and realize the current Leaf front office of Shanahan/Lamoriello/Babcock/Mark Hunter is arguably the best in hockey.



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That front office has to actually help build the team winning before you can seriously say that.

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KGB wrote: It's a marvel to wake up each morning in 2016 and realize the current Leaf front office of Shanahan/Lamoriello/Babcock/Mark Hunter is arguably the best in hockey.

No homerism here. :tongue:



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khawk wrote: That front office has to actually help build the team winning before you can seriously say that.
I agree 100%, but they've got so much right in the last 12 months that I'm still pinching myself it's the Leafs I'm talking about.  Even when Cliff Fletcher or Ken Dryden/Mike Smith had success, I never had the feeling that we were on the cusp of something bigger and better.  I believe our current front office is gifted enough to make the franchise successful in the long-term.  The Leafs are universally acknowledged to have one of, if not the best farm system in hockey right now.  And they're about to make 8 selections in the first 4 rounds of this year's draft, quite possibly adding Auston Matthews or Patrick Laine.  This has never happened in my lifetime.     



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KGB wrote: khawk wrote: That front office has to actually help build the team winning before you can seriously say that.
I agree 100%, but they've got so much right in the last 12 months that I'm still pinching myself it's the Leafs I'm talking about.  Even when Cliff Fletcher or Ken Dryden/Mike Smith had success, I never had the feeling that we were on the cusp of something bigger and better.  I believe our current front office is gifted enough to make the franchise successful in the long-term.  The Leafs are universally acknowledged to have one of, if not the best farm system in hockey right now.  And they're about to make 8 selections in the first 4 rounds of this year's draft, quite possibly adding Auston Matthews or Patrick Laine.  This has never happened in my lifetime.     

What really surprises me about this front office is that they haven't traded away a first round pick that turned out to be a top four.

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I'd like to see where this draft stacks up historically.  Obviously in the Original 6 era, there were less eligible players (plus only a pool of North Americans) meaning they should have had some very stacked 1st rounds. But in expansion, I know the 1979 and 1988 drafts were pretty stacked so I'd have to take a deeper look.

Edit-found one source. http://www.si.com/nhl/2015/10/09/10-greatest-nhl-rookie-classes-ranked


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KGB wrote: khawk wrote: That front office has to actually help build the team winning before you can seriously say that.
I agree 100%, but they've got so much right in the last 12 months that I'm still pinching myself it's the Leafs I'm talking about.  Even when Cliff Fletcher or Ken Dryden/Mike Smith had success, I never had the feeling that we were on the cusp of something bigger and better.  I believe our current front office is gifted enough to make the franchise successful in the long-term.  The Leafs are universally acknowledged to have one of, if not the best farm system in hockey right now.  And they're about to make 8 selections in the first 4 rounds of this year's draft, quite possibly adding Auston Matthews or Patrick Laine.  This has never happened in my lifetime.     

That's fair. The structure of what they are TRYING to do is solid. Where they will show their mettle is if they can stay the course in the wake of the media and fan pressure in Toronto. Few have been able to do that which is why crucial mistakes have been made in the past, unfailingly keeping the Leafs in mediocrity.
They got this year to themselves because they laid it out that it was gonna be this way "for a while". If the fans and media are patient, "a while" will allow the team to improve organically. But if not you may see the same mistakes that previous regimes have made.
Will be an interesting couple of years for Leafs fans to say the least.

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khawk wrote: KGB wrote: khawk wrote: That front office has to actually help build the team winning before you can seriously say that.
I agree 100%, but they've got so much right in the last 12 months that I'm still pinching myself it's the Leafs I'm talking about.  Even when Cliff Fletcher or Ken Dryden/Mike Smith had success, I never had the feeling that we were on the cusp of something bigger and better.  I believe our current front office is gifted enough to make the franchise successful in the long-term.  The Leafs are universally acknowledged to have one of, if not the best farm system in hockey right now.  And they're about to make 8 selections in the first 4 rounds of this year's draft, quite possibly adding Auston Matthews or Patrick Laine.  This has never happened in my lifetime.     

That's fair. The structure of what they are TRYING to do is solid. Where they will show their mettle is if they can stay the course in the wake of the media and fan pressure in Toronto. Few have been able to do that which is why crucial mistakes have been made in the past, unfailingly keeping the Leafs in mediocrity.
They got this year to themselves because they laid it out that it was gonna be this way "for a while". If the fans and media are patient, "a while" will allow the team to improve organically. But if not you may see the same mistakes that previous regimes have made.
Will be an interesting couple of years for Leafs fans to say the least.

The fans can be patient, the media on the other hand will never be. The media has been talking about Steve Stamkos for the past two years. The same media that laughs at the David Clarkson signing now are the same people that said he was the best free agent available just before the Leafs signed him. When forme GM and president Brian Burke was asked why he turned down the offer for them to be on HBO's show 24/7 he said it's because they already are on 24/7.

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Every indication is that the fans will be patient, in fact most of us have been waiting a decade for a complete rebuild and are welcoming it. As for the media, I trust that the brass are mature enough to pay them no mind. Mike Babcock and Lou Lamoriello are no babes of the woods. They've been around a long time and have a proven track record of success. I'm sure they'll stay focused on the job at hand and not the baying of the peanut gallery.

If the Leafs win the lottery and get Matthews, you'd have to think they'll seriously reconsider making a play for Stamkos this summer. Why tie up all that money in a #1 center when you're about to bring one on board at a bargain basement price?



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I want the Oilers to win the lottery, see the world burn.



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If I were the Leafs I would avoid Stamkos...he will cost too much for what he brings to the table IMO. Hasn't been the same after his broken leg.

Cory do you trust Chiarelli to make the right trades to improve the D? They already waited one year too long to trade Yakupov. His value dropped a ton last season IMO.

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khawk wrote: If I were the Leafs I would avoid Stamkos...he will cost too much for what he brings to the table IMO. Hasn't been the same after his broken leg.

Cory do you trust Chiarelli to make the right trades to improve the D? They already waited one year too long to trade Yakupov. His value dropped a ton last season IMO.

I trust him more than fucking Craig MacTavish, that's for sure.
Got to do something big, don't want to waste the years we have McDavid at a reduced contract.



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Well compared to Craig Mac I would feel a shitload more confident too.

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