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Alleged dirty play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFZovcHZeI

Edit(another angle of play):https://twitter.com/1PantherPlace/status/1457744671141158913?s=20

He did kind of look like a young ken shamrock with the ankle grab and twist , and the fact that the player got hurt.... 

He is lucky that in this era, players can't be as crazy with the getback but he might not want to run as a horse collar tackle can be in his future...

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krazykid18 wrote: Alleged dirty play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFZovcHZeI

He did kind of look like a young ken shamrock with the ankle grab and twist , and the fact that the player got hurt.... 

He is lucky that in this era, players can't be as crazy with the getback but he might not want to run as a horse collar tackle can be in his future...
Somebody will nail him, probably multiple times,  but I don't think that was dirty play in the context of dirty plays.  He simply grabbed the ankle.  The other player twisted, and Jones didn't let go.  Jones should have been penalized for holding because he was holding him.  But I don't for a minute think that Jones was intending to injure or anything.  20 years ago, his coach would've been pissed if he didn't try to grab hold of him.  Now everybody thinks this is a dirty play.  This isn't Haynesworth legit stepping on a guy's face on purpose.  It's more like when Warren Sapp broke that Green Bay guy's pelvis by nailing him on a runback - a legal play with questionable morals.  But legal means it's not dirty.  Dirty was when guys like Marty Lyons clipped Dwight Stevenson and ended his career by shredding his knee, or when Conrad Dobler wore a cast on his arm, wrapped in ace bandages, and used that arm basically like a sledge hammer on a guy's helmet.



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Superstar wrote: krazykid18 wrote: Alleged dirty play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFZovcHZeI

He did kind of look like a young ken shamrock with the ankle grab and twist , and the fact that the player got hurt.... 

He is lucky that in this era, players can't be as crazy with the getback but he might not want to run as a horse collar tackle can be in his future...
Somebody will nail him, probably multiple times,  but I don't think that was dirty play in the context of dirty plays.  He simply grabbed the ankle.  The other player twisted, and Jones didn't let go.  Jones should have been penalized for holding because he was holding him.  But I don't for a minute think that Jones was intending to injure or anything.  20 years ago, his coach would've been pissed if he didn't try to grab hold of him.  Now everybody thinks this is a dirty play.  This isn't Haynesworth legit stepping on a guy's face on purpose.  It's more like when Warren Sapp broke that Green Bay guy's pelvis by nailing him on a runback - a legal play with questionable morals.  But legal means it's not dirty.  Dirty was when guys like Marty Lyons clipped Dwight Stevenson and ended his career by shredding his knee, or when Conrad Dobler wore a cast on his arm, wrapped in ace bandages, and used that arm basically like a sledge hammer on a guy's helmet.

https://twitter.com/1PantherPlace/status/1457744671141158913?s=20
I don't know this footage is even worst ... it is slow motion but that leg sweep to grab the other leg looks dirty

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krazykid18 wrote: Superstar wrote: krazykid18 wrote: Alleged dirty play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFZovcHZeI

He did kind of look like a young ken shamrock with the ankle grab and twist , and the fact that the player got hurt.... 

He is lucky that in this era, players can't be as crazy with the getback but he might not want to run as a horse collar tackle can be in his future...
Somebody will nail him, probably multiple times,  but I don't think that was dirty play in the context of dirty plays.  He simply grabbed the ankle.  The other player twisted, and Jones didn't let go.  Jones should have been penalized for holding because he was holding him.  But I don't for a minute think that Jones was intending to injure or anything.  20 years ago, his coach would've been pissed if he didn't try to grab hold of him.  Now everybody thinks this is a dirty play.  This isn't Haynesworth legit stepping on a guy's face on purpose.  It's more like when Warren Sapp broke that Green Bay guy's pelvis by nailing him on a runback - a legal play with questionable morals.  But legal means it's not dirty.  Dirty was when guys like Marty Lyons clipped Dwight Stevenson and ended his career by shredding his knee, or when Conrad Dobler wore a cast on his arm, wrapped in ace bandages, and used that arm basically like a sledge hammer on a guy's helmet.

https://twitter.com/1PantherPlace/status/1457744671141158913?s=20
I don't know this footage is even worst ... it is slow motion but that leg sweep to grab the other leg looks dirty
That footage that you just posted is much worse, and yes it was an intentional leg sweep.  THAT was dirty, in fact, I think that was illegal because it was a clip below the knee.



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Superstar wrote: krazykid18 wrote: Superstar wrote: krazykid18 wrote: Alleged dirty play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFZovcHZeI

He did kind of look like a young ken shamrock with the ankle grab and twist , and the fact that the player got hurt.... 

He is lucky that in this era, players can't be as crazy with the getback but he might not want to run as a horse collar tackle can be in his future...
Somebody will nail him, probably multiple times,  but I don't think that was dirty play in the context of dirty plays.  He simply grabbed the ankle.  The other player twisted, and Jones didn't let go.  Jones should have been penalized for holding because he was holding him.  But I don't for a minute think that Jones was intending to injure or anything.  20 years ago, his coach would've been pissed if he didn't try to grab hold of him.  Now everybody thinks this is a dirty play.  This isn't Haynesworth legit stepping on a guy's face on purpose.  It's more like when Warren Sapp broke that Green Bay guy's pelvis by nailing him on a runback - a legal play with questionable morals.  But legal means it's not dirty.  Dirty was when guys like Marty Lyons clipped Dwight Stevenson and ended his career by shredding his knee, or when Conrad Dobler wore a cast on his arm, wrapped in ace bandages, and used that arm basically like a sledge hammer on a guy's helmet.

https://twitter.com/1PantherPlace/status/1457744671141158913?s=20
I don't know this footage is even worst ... it is slow motion but that leg sweep to grab the other leg looks dirty
That footage that you just posted is much worse, and yes it was an intentional leg sweep.  THAT was dirty, in fact, I think that was illegal because it was a clip below the knee.

I'm echoing Superstar here at first look I thought holding, but not dirty.  That last look with the trip looks dirty.  I don't think he was intending to injure anyone, but I think he was making a dirty play.



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It deosn't appear to me that there was any intent to injure but then again noone knows except for Jones.



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