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 Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 02:53 pm
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Phils manager. I was waiting for it. They upgrade every offseason and still go nowhere.


22-29 , 12 games out. Pfffft.

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beejmi wrote: Phils manager. I was waiting for it. They upgrade every offseason and still go nowhere.


22-29 , 12 games out. Pfffft.
Do you truly believe the Phillies have built a contender?  Outside of Bryce Harper, everything they've gotten is second rate.  Zack Wheeler is a great SP, but he's not and never will be a #1 SP.  Your closer was a designated OPENER last season for a shithole Colorado squad, and he hasn't been successful as a closer in about seven years.  He closed in Milwaukee two or three closers prior to Josh Hader.  Kyle Schwarber is what he is, a .215 hitter that can mash for short stretches of time and carry your team for two weeks.  Jean Segura is not special, Zach Eflin is less than that.  To blame this on Girardi is so "Philly Sports Radio" it's not funny.  The Phillies are a .500 team, that's all.



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Rebuild ?  Trade Harper for some young players / prospects ?What sayeth you Phillie fans ?



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Did he wind up being better or worse than Gabe Kapler? I know Girardi's bullpen management has been heavily criticized since his days with the Yankees, but firing the manager isn't going to do much with a team this bad. They are a .500 team under the best of circumstances.



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srossi wrote: Did he wind up being better or worse than Gabe Kapler? I know Girardi's bullpen management has been heavily criticized since his days with the Yankees, but firing the manager isn't going to do much with a team this bad. They are a .500 team under the best of circumstances.

Girardi overall better than Kapler IMO.  Kapler did more with less last year with the Giants than he had with the Phillies for 2 years.  Similar records coaching the Phillies for both which to me points to player personnel and the organization in general.



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More or less the Philly fans see Girardi as someone that only had success when he was managing the Yankees and that's because it was the Yankees.

Perhaps second rate as Superstar has pointed out. Not seen that way here. The bullpen is seen that way and thats it.


Lineup should get you to the playoffs is the prevailing thought here. Lots of playoff spots available these days in this format. But team clearly going nowhere. Again. They never 'turn the corner'. Huff and puff to get to .500 ....... 10+ years without the playoffs adding to the frustration.

It could be as simple as the players don't like him. As we all know in sports, the coach can be a master tactician, but if the players hate the coach, it wont go well.

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beejmi wrote: It could be as simple as the players don't like him. As we all know in sports, the coach can be a master tactician, but if the players hate the coach, it wont go well.
Kapler seemed divisive, but personality-wise Girardi never seemed to have an issue with players, although things could've changed.  Managing personalities these days must be harder than ever as these players get younger and are more eager to be offended by something.



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 Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 08:04 pm
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lobo316 wrote: Rebuild ?  Trade Harper for some young players / prospects ?What sayeth you Phillie fans ?





You'd need someone to pick up a monster contract that runs too long

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 Posted: Fri Jun 3rd, 2022 08:14 pm
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srossi wrote: beejmi wrote: It could be as simple as the players don't like him. As we all know in sports, the coach can be a master tactician, but if the players hate the coach, it wont go well.
Kapler seemed divisive, but personality-wise Girardi never seemed to have an issue with players, although things could've changed.  Managing personalities these days must be harder than ever as these players get younger and are more eager to be offended by something.


No. Nothing out there in terms of him not getting along with anyone.

There is something wrong though in terms of chemistry and consistency. There's never a 'we have to win now' mentality. Team appears to be 'capable' at times (goes into LA and takes 3 of 4 from the Dodgers) but then lose 7 of next 10. As a fan you feel they could be better but there's no urgency. Too many 'should have won them' games will haunt them at the end of the season when the standings are tallied.

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Was talking with a friend of mine and he put it a good way - 100% happy just to be .500

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It’s hard to see his time here as anything but failure. There was no ‘peak’ no ‘good times’

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Phils respond with a 10-0 win last night.



Was Girardi all along just like I told you guys

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beejmi wrote: lobo316 wrote: Rebuild ?  Trade Harper for some young players / prospects ?What sayeth you Phillie fans ?





You'd need someone to pick up a monster contract that runs too long
The Giants were willing to pay Harper what he wanted but he chose the Phillies instead. I am not sure he would be a good fit with the Giants now with Kapler managing.



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beejmi wrote: Phils respond with a 10-0 win last night.



Was Girardi all along just like I told you guys
They’ve obviously been reading our board.



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Superstar wrote: beejmi wrote: Phils respond with a 10-0 win last night.



Was Girardi all along just like I told you guys
They’ve obviously been reading our board.



Dead cat bounce of having a new manager, HC, whatever. The Phillies will look like a different team for a week and then they will return to the norm.



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