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 Posted: Sat Sep 11th, 2010 07:05 pm
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kargol wrote:
"Aluminum" when referring to a metal.  It's "aluminium", like all non-prehistoric metals it ends in -ium. You don't hear about sodum or lithum, do you?

I believe it was actually named "aluminum" by the scientist who first officially identified it. Then other scientists wanted to change it to "aluminium" because it seemed to follow the standard you pointed out in the names "lithium" and "sodium."  But it comes from the word "alumina" so the "um" seems to be proper (like "platinum"), given that other names ending in "ium" came from mineral names that already had the "i" in place.  So different authorities went with different spellings/pronunciations.  In the US and Canada, "aluminum" is preferred by the standards of the scientific community, though it is recognized that UK and Australia use "aliuminium." 



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clawmaster wrote: thunderbolt wrote: Every time you hear the phrase "with all due respect", you can be certain you are  about to be called an asshole.


Yep I pulled out the with all due respect line in response to Jason Hart, Gary's son, on KM. Had to break it to him that Kerry and Fritz were biggers stars than Kevin Von Erich. For that matter so were the Funk Brothers, Daddy Funk and Pepper Gomez. This was in a discussion about the greatest wrestler ever to wrestle in Texas. Jason tried to claim Kevin was the greatest.

Off subject, but I've read a couple of wild things from Jason Hart. He said some ridiculous things about Al Perez.  In particular, he claimed Perez was going to win the World title from Flair but he didn't feel like waiting for the date that it was going to happen so he told them he would just take it in a shoot at some house show.  This got him in trouble with the company and his planned World Title run was scrapped. How can anyone even repeat that crap with a straight face??




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I have always understood this difference to be one of practical application only.  The element on the periodic table is Aluminium, while the metal commonly used in industrial application is most often called Aluminum, since it is actually not a pure rendering of the element, but is technically an alloy.



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thunderbolt wrote: I have always understood this difference to be one of practical application only.  The element on the periodic table is Aluminium, while the metal commonly used in industrial application is most often called Aluminum, since it is actually not a pure rendering of the element, but is technically an alloy.


I thought the same way you did, T-Bolt, but doing a little quick research on the wiki and a couple of science related reference sites (ALWAYS back the wiki up with its sources), it looks like it goes deeper than that. Like I said in the other post, the element was named "aluminum" by the inventor who named it.  He got the name by putting the standard "um" suffix on the word "alumina," but other scientists felt like "aluminium" fit the naming precedents.  The argument against that was that the words those names were derived from ended in "ia" rather than "a".  There was a debate and different organizations of scientific authority chose different spellings. The international spelling (as well as that in Australia and UK) is "aluminium" though "aluminum" is an accepted variant according to IUPAC.

in the US and Canada, it is the other way around, with "aluminum" being the standard and "aluminium" being an accepted variant (though it is rarely used in the US).


Btw, my American spell check tells me "aluminium" not spelled correctly.

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It was Humphrey Davy who first isolated aluminium, and, as he got it from alum, he called it alumium.  But aluminium was being used within a year of discovery.  As far as I can tell, Davy only used aluminum once, and that might have been a typo in the chemical paper.



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kargol wrote: It was Humphrey Davy who first isolated aluminium, and, as he got it from alum, he called it alumium.  But aluminium was being used within a year of discovery.  As far as I can tell, Davy only used aluminum once, and that might have been a typo in the chemical paper.

Regardless, he called it aluminum and several authorities still use that term, although the international standard is aluminium (while allowing aluminum as an accepted variant).  So neither is "wrong," just different practices, like the differences in Koran and Quran, etc.

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Koran/Quran is just different approaches to transliteration, like the ex-Soviet leader being called Gorbatschow in Germany.  "Aluminum" is just wrong, I don't care that the IUPAC considers it an acceptable alternative, they're the cunts who think sulphur is spelt with an f.



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Aren't you from that stupid country that puts unnecessary "u"s in everything (labour, colour, etc.)?



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kargol wrote: Koran/Quran is just different approaches to transliteration, like the ex-Soviet leader being called Gorbatschow in Germany.  "Aluminum" is just wrong, I don't care that the IUPAC considers it an acceptable alternative, they're the cunts who think sulphur is spelt with an f.


 

 

But why is it "wrong" when several authorities on the subject accept it?  It's just preference as to which style you prefer. And like I said, my spell check doesn't even accept aluminium, so in this counrty "aluminum" is "correct".


The "um" suffix is actually more in line with proper spelling because of the source word "alumina".  The "ium" suffix was only preferable to many because it seems to fit the naming trend of the day.  Seems that one spelling was based on grammatical tradition and the other on "sounding/looking right" based on a naming trend.

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thunderbolt wrote: Every time you hear the phrase "with all due respect", you can be certain you are  about to be called an asshole.
 
Best line ever from a video game comes from Mass Effect:

Why is it whenever someone says "with all due respect", they really mean "kiss my ass"?~ Chief Ashley Williams




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BayouBoogie wrote: kargol wrote: Koran/Quran is just different approaches to transliteration, like the ex-Soviet leader being called Gorbatschow in Germany.  "Aluminum" is just wrong, I don't care that the IUPAC considers it an acceptable alternative, they're the cunts who think sulphur is spelt with an f.


 

 

But why is it "wrong" when several authorities on the subject accept it?  It's just preference as to which style you prefer. And like I said, my spell check doesn't even accept aluminium, so in this counrty "aluminum" is "correct".


The "um" suffix is actually more in line with proper spelling because of the source word "alumina".  The "ium" suffix was only preferable to many because it seems to fit the naming trend of the day.  Seems that one spelling was based on grammatical tradition and the other on "sounding/looking right" based on a naming trend.

And as I said Davy originally called it "alumium" because it came from alum.  I live quite near a district called Alum Rock.  (Great name for a music genre.)   Given that everyone in the English-speaking world calls it "aluminium", why does the US go against that out of sheer randomness?

Heretic wrote: Aren't you from that stupid country that puts unnecessary "u"s in everything (labour, colour, etc.)?
Yes, on the basis that we don't speak Latin.  (The u IS necessary from an historical phonetic perspective, "labor" would be pronounced "labbor" - as in "laboratory".)

But if you think that's daft, check out Australia.  Labor, but neighbour.



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kargol wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: kargol wrote: Koran/Quran is just different approaches to transliteration, like the ex-Soviet leader being called Gorbatschow in Germany.  "Aluminum" is just wrong, I don't care that the IUPAC considers it an acceptable alternative, they're the cunts who think sulphur is spelt with an f.


 

 

But why is it "wrong" when several authorities on the subject accept it?  It's just preference as to which style you prefer. And like I said, my spell check doesn't even accept aluminium, so in this counrty "aluminum" is "correct".


The "um" suffix is actually more in line with proper spelling because of the source word "alumina".  The "ium" suffix was only preferable to many because it seems to fit the naming trend of the day.  Seems that one spelling was based on grammatical tradition and the other on "sounding/looking right" based on a naming trend.

And as I said Davy originally called it "alumium" because it came from alum.  I live quite near a district called Alum Rock.  (Great name for a music genre.)   Given that everyone in the English-speaking world calls it "aluminium", why does the US go against that out of sheer randomness?

Heretic wrote: Aren't you from that stupid country that puts unnecessary "u"s in everything (labour, colour, etc.)?
Yes, on the basis that we don't speak Latin.  (The u IS necessary from an historical phonetic perspective, "labor" would be pronounced "labbor" - as in "laboratory".)

But if you think that's daft, check out Australia.  Labor, but neighbour.
This is America you jackass.  Lurn to speak the language or gtfo.



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At work we had a 40 something gentleman who would constantly say "Cool Beans" to something afirmative, and "Weak Sauce" when he was upset with something.

We canned him.



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You canned the cool beans, huh?



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With weak sauce, even.

He was a completely useless motherfucker.  Only reason he lasted as long as he did was we needed someone tall to reach things before we got new shelves at work (he was legit 6'5)



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