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I heard Creed's first album, specifically "Torn" tonight, and it reminded me how kick ass that album is.  I used to play "One" for my now-18 year old when she was a baby and she'd react. That said, that band is looked at badly for reasons I'm not quite sure about.

Obviously Nickelback is not a great band but they get the shit beat out of them as well ( I don't think Nickelback could carry Creed's gear for what it's worth). Who are other bands that fit this category?



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Nickelback are like the Roman Reigns of music.  It's cool to hate on them because everybody else does but 90% of the people who hate on them have no real clue why and a fair % probably haven't listened to any of their music.  Not saying they are a great band by any stretch but not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.


U2 catches a lot of heat but it's mainly because Bono is such a phony cocksucker.


Coldplay is reviled by the same sort of crowd that hates on Nickelback.



Green Day I've seen talked about as sellouts because their music changed but it really didn't.


Limp Bizkit which may be more of a Fred Durst hatefest than anything. 



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Overexposure breeds contempt. At one point you couldn't go 20 minutes without hearing something from Creed or Nickelback on Alternative or Hard Rock Radio.

Coldplay definitely fits this bill. In Canada (or maybe just my group of friends) Our Lady Peace at one time was even more over-exposed that Nickelback and Creed put together.

Green Day has nothing on Goo Goo Dolls in terms of selling out. Add that John Rzeznik is one of the biggest assholes to grace the music business and it made them pretty easy to hate in the later 1990's (I'll admit they have good pop songs in them. I'll gladly take Everybody Have Fun Tonight or We built This City over Iris any day of the week).



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The Nickelback issue to start was that they were a poppy rock band signed to the metal label roadrunner. instantly every metal fan I knew made them their most hated band. Granted that is only a piece of the pie because I know metal fans dont run the world.


In my parts Green Day was viewed as a poppy punk band that was more well liked by girls. The majority of the guys I grew up with would rather listen to the dead kennedys, the misfits, penny wise, the vandals or bad religion than green day. Girls would listen to green day and say that they were into punk music because of it.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Nickelback are like the Roman Reigns of music.  It's cool to hate on them because everybody else does but 90% of the people who hate on them have no real clue why and a fair % probably haven't listened to any of their music.  Not saying they are a great band by any stretch but not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.


Gonna disagree with you on this one from the perspective that they get so much airtime on the radio here that everyone has heard one or more of their songs. The hate has been a "Catchy" thing as noted in a lot of cases. I myself developed a healthy hatred of them more from an overplayed band standpoint...and since I wasn't too fond of them to begin with that made it easy to actively dislike them, which I do to this day.

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broke wrote: Overexposure breeds contempt. At one point you couldn't go 20 minutes without hearing something from Creed or Nickelback on Alternative or Hard Rock Radio.

Yeah, this. Here the local rock station plays so much AC/DC that it has become a station-changer for a lot of people the second another one of their songs come on...and that's AC/DC!
Perspective: The local station runs a top 500 songs thing every Labour Day weekend. in the last two years there have been 14-15 AC/DC songs in the top 50, and at least 5-7 in the top 15. 


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In my university days the only song I heard more on radio than How You Remind Me or Rollin' was that frigging Somewhere Out There song by OLP. At some point they went from a kinda sorta alterna-band with a bad singer to Canada's "other" band with the Tragically Hip.

The joys of Cancon I guess.



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broke wrote: In my university days the only song I heard more on radio than How You Remind Me or Rollin' was that frigging Somewhere Out There song by OLP. At some point they went from a kinda sorta alterna-band with a bad singer to Canada's "other" band with the Tragically Hip.

The joys of Cancon I guess.

Great way of putting it on OLP. Canadians would call Buffalo rock radio and thank them for not playing the Tragically Hip every half hour. On the flip side, The Goo Goo Dolls are from Buffalo so stations still feel compelled to play them repeatedly....and newer obscure stuff that didn't get played anywhere else.

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khawk wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Nickelback are like the Roman Reigns of music.  It's cool to hate on them because everybody else does but 90% of the people who hate on them have no real clue why and a fair % probably haven't listened to any of their music.  Not saying they are a great band by any stretch but not nearly as bad as people make them out to be.


Gonna disagree with you on this one from the perspective that they get so much airtime on the radio here that everyone has heard one or more of their songs. The hate has been a "Catchy" thing as noted in a lot of cases. I myself developed a healthy hatred of them more from an overplayed band standpoint...and since I wasn't too fond of them to begin with that made it easy to actively dislike them, which I do to this day.
It's possible of course.  But I have encountered people who have said to me Nickelback sucks but claim to have not heard a song. When I press the point I get "well doesn't everybody hate them"? comments.  Chad Kroeger could use a punch or 12 to the face but some of their stuff isn't bad, for what it is.  Admittedly what I like are the less commercially known songs with the exception of Burn It To The Ground which I like for some unknown reason possibly related to over-consumption of alcohol.   


And with the Tragically Hip in the news so much lately on other boards I frequent I've seen posted claims of never hearing one of their songs by people who say they listen to the radio all the time.


I myself don't really listen to radio much anymore and in terms of music I'd rather listen to my own playlist than some radio stations pre programmed list of songs that they play over ever few hours.



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Hmm, I don't listen to terrestrial radio too much, but I don't recall hearing much Goo Goo Dolls in Buffalo. Maybe on 103.3? I haven't listened to them since the 80's and they seem like the station more likely to play them. I don't think the Hip are really overplayed in Canada. Maybe the problem is that their music fits such a wide range of formats that you can't get away from them (that and CanCon). Whether it's classic rock (Giant FM and Q107), hard rock (97.7), or alternative (CFNY), they're everywhere.

I don't have a particular band in mind, but I would nominate the entire Arena (Corporate) Rock genre of 70's/80's. Your Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx type bands. I can't point to a single album from these bands that was rock solid from top to bottom, but in the end they were able to provide a host of fairly timeless songs.



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KGB wrote: Hmm, I don't listen to terrestrial radio too much, but I don't recall hearing much Goo Goo Dolls in Buffalo. Maybe on 103.3? I haven't listened to them since the 80's and they seem like the station more likely to play them. I don't think the Hip are really overplayed in Canada. Maybe the problem is that their music fits such a wide range of formats that you can't get away from them (that and CanCon). Whether it's classic rock (Giant FM and Q107), hard rock (97.7), or alternative (CFNY), they're everywhere.

The pop hits will make 92.9, 96.1, 102.5. Even Kiss 98.5 played them when their songs were charting.
I heard Better Days from 2006 or so on 102.5 at the eye doctor. That's a song that was played nowhere outside of Buffalo. It actually charted as the Sabres used it as a pregame theme song and copies of it were at cash registers everywhere. 

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KGB wrote: Hmm, I don't listen to terrestrial radio too much, but I don't recall hearing much Goo Goo Dolls in Buffalo. Maybe on 103.3? I haven't listened to them since the 80's and they seem like the station more likely to play them. I don't think the Hip are really overplayed in Canada. Maybe the problem is that their music fits such a wide range of formats that you can't get away from them (that and CanCon). Whether it's classic rock (Giant FM and Q107), hard rock (97.7), or alternative (CFNY), they're everywhere.

I don't have a particular band in mind, but I would nominate the entire Arena (Corporate) Rock genre of 70's/80's. Your Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx type bands. I can't point to a single album from these bands that was rock solid from top to bottom, but in the end they were able to provide a host of fairly timeless songs.

I would agree with you for the "arena" rock thing excepting earlier REO Speedwagon.  Give this a listen sometime:

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gwlee7 wrote: KGB wrote: Hmm, I don't listen to terrestrial radio too much, but I don't recall hearing much Goo Goo Dolls in Buffalo. Maybe on 103.3? I haven't listened to them since the 80's and they seem like the station more likely to play them. I don't think the Hip are really overplayed in Canada. Maybe the problem is that their music fits such a wide range of formats that you can't get away from them (that and CanCon). Whether it's classic rock (Giant FM and Q107), hard rock (97.7), or alternative (CFNY), they're everywhere.

I don't have a particular band in mind, but I would nominate the entire Arena (Corporate) Rock genre of 70's/80's. Your Journey, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Styx type bands. I can't point to a single album from these bands that was rock solid from top to bottom, but in the end they were able to provide a host of fairly timeless songs.

I would agree with you for the "arena" rock thing excepting earlier REO Speedwagon.  Give this a listen sometime:

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For me it's hearing the same song over and over and over that kills the song (and by extension the artist) for me. First act I started really disliking for this was Bush (no fault of theirs - ok they were a ripoff band with bad lyrics so totally their fault) as you couldn't get away from that first album of theirs between 1995 and 1997.

Living in Toronto/Buffalo when I did (1999 - 2004) 102.1 Killed OLP, Limp Bizkit, Creed and pretty much every nu metal act that came out at the time. The mainstream stations played Name and later Iris it seemed every 20 minutes so maybe that's where I'm getting the Goo Goo Dolls hate from. FWIW I've met Robbie a few times, cool guy to talk to about old punk records.



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