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 Posted: Fri May 14th, 2021 06:08 pm
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Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: A year ago Trump delivered this beauty when asked about rising cases "if we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases"
I know you're trying to make a joke out of that, but the spirit of what he was saying was that people were going in to get tested and coming back with "positives" even thought they weren't sick.  In hindsight, either they were receiving false-positives or were asymptomatic.  The media a year ago was hung up every day on the news posting the "COVID Cases" statistics to seemingly create fear, but the hospitalization numbers always were buried deeper in the news.  The case numbers never told the entire story.  Propaganda for a political agenda.
I'm down-the-middle on the pandemic thing, so this isn't me defending Trump blindly.  I'm all for wearing masks and being careful, and I think the CDC announcement yesterday is a fucking clown show when Wellensky was on the news one month ago literally crying over the variants and how things were going to get worse.  All this changed in four weeks when half the country still isn't vaxed?  No chance.  More politics.



I think that Blazer and I are on the same page. I don't understand the logic behind the CDC's announcement. The way I understand it, now we are being told that if you are vaccinated that you no longer need to wear a mask. I thought that:

a) The vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting COVID nor does it prevent you from transmitting COVID if you are infected. The vaccine will prevent you from dying or getting seriously ill if you become infected with COVID.


b) Masks were supposed to prevent people from infecting others moreso than to provide protection to the maskwearer.


When did the above change? Now we are told that it is perfectly fine for vaccinated people to walk around without masks even though a large portion of the population (I am thinking of children) has not been vaccinated yet. Can't these vaccinated people still contract COVID? Can't these vaccinated people still transmit COVID to others if they are infected? What about the non-vaccinated people who will be walking around without masks?

If the vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting COVID or transmitting COVID when infected, why are some employers/schools mandating that employees must be vaccinated? How does a non-vaccinated person affect the others in the workplace/college any differently than a vaccinated person? If either one of them would contract COVID, they both could transmit COVID to the others in the office/school.


As the pandemic has gone on, it is like the officials are ignoring previous guidance as they loosen restrictions and push people to get vaccinated even though some people haven't been able to get vaccinated yet. 

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Interestingly enough, all morning I’ve been receiving emails from the kids school, my work, the library - all basically saying “fuck that”, you still need to wear a mask and social distance here despite what the announcement was yesterday. I’m sorry, a pandemic doesn’t go from the CDC director crying on television in April to it’s basically over now in May after we’ve been locked down for 14 months. So something is way off on either end of this. Either bullshit to start, or massive mistake now to end it. I have no problem erring on the side of caution, but things need to be gradual.



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Big Garea Fan wrote: Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: A year ago Trump delivered this beauty when asked about rising cases "if we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases"
I know you're trying to make a joke out of that, but the spirit of what he was saying was that people were going in to get tested and coming back with "positives" even thought they weren't sick.  In hindsight, either they were receiving false-positives or were asymptomatic.  The media a year ago was hung up every day on the news posting the "COVID Cases" statistics to seemingly create fear, but the hospitalization numbers always were buried deeper in the news.  The case numbers never told the entire story.  Propaganda for a political agenda.
I'm down-the-middle on the pandemic thing, so this isn't me defending Trump blindly.  I'm all for wearing masks and being careful, and I think the CDC announcement yesterday is a fucking clown show when Wellensky was on the news one month ago literally crying over the variants and how things were going to get worse.  All this changed in four weeks when half the country still isn't vaxed?  No chance.  More politics.



I think that Blazer and I are on the same page. I don't understand the logic behind the CDC's announcement. The way I understand it, now we are being told that if you are vaccinated that you no longer need to wear a mask. I thought that:

a) The vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting COVID nor does it prevent you from transmitting COVID if you are infected. The vaccine will prevent you from dying or getting seriously ill if you become infected with COVID.


b) Masks were supposed to prevent people from infecting others moreso than to provide protection to the maskwearer.


When did the above change? Now we are told that it is perfectly fine for vaccinated people to walk around without masks even though a large portion of the population (I am thinking of children) has not been vaccinated yet. Can't these vaccinated people still contract COVID? Can't these vaccinated people still transmit COVID to others if they are infected? What about the non-vaccinated people who will be walking around without masks?

If the vaccine doesn't stop you from contracting COVID or transmitting COVID when infected, why are some employers/schools mandating that employees must be vaccinated? How does a non-vaccinated person affect the others in the workplace/college any differently than a vaccinated person? If either one of them would contract COVID, they both could transmit COVID to the others in the office/school.


As the pandemic has gone on, it is like the officials are ignoring previous guidance as they loosen restrictions and push people to get vaccinated even though some people haven't been able to get vaccinated yet. 


My thoughts exactly, almost word for word the conversation my wife and I had last night. None of this adds up. And here in Ohio, if you’re vaccinated you are entered into a lottery where 5 people will win $1 million, and those under 18 entered into a lottery for free college tuition. Why do we need to be bribed if getting the vaccine only protects your own self from the severity of symptoms?!?

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Traveling through this pandemic you really get an eye-opener as to what a joke these mask and social distancing mandates are. On the plane we're told we're 99.97% safe due to the filtration system and have virtually no chance of getting Covid, but we must still wear masks at all times anyway or get kicked off and permanently banned from air travel. The stewardesses run around randomly yelling at people to keep their masks over heir noses. Then it's snack and drink time and everyone can pull their masks down for the next 30 minutes. I guess Covid will take its lunch break at the same time as the rest of us.

Then at the casinos in Vegas, you must wear a mask at all times, except smoking is still allowed, so if you're chainsmoking at the slots then it's perfectly fine to not have your mask up. And of course when you're drinking too, but you have to pull it up between sips. And social distancing is strictly enforced when waiting on any type of line, but I was shoulder-to-shoulder with 4 strangers at the Roulette and Blackjack tables for a couple of hours and that was fine. Covid is incredibly thoughtful to never strike while you're eating, drinking, or gambling.



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Blazer wrote: Spatulapup wrote: A year ago Trump delivered this beauty when asked about rising cases "if we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases"
I know you're trying to make a joke out of that, but the spirit of what he was saying was that people were going in to get tested and coming back with "positives" even thought they weren't sick.  In hindsight, either they were receiving false-positives or were asymptomatic.  The media a year ago was hung up every day on the news posting the "COVID Cases" statistics to seemingly create fear, but the hospitalization numbers always were buried deeper in the news.  The case numbers never told the entire story.  Propaganda for a political agenda.
I'm down-the-middle on the pandemic thing, so this isn't me defending Trump blindly.  I'm all for wearing masks and being careful, and I think the CDC announcement yesterday is a fucking clown show when Wellensky was on the news one month ago literally crying over the variants and how things were going to get worse.  All this changed in four weeks when half the country still isn't vaxed?  No chance.  More politics.


That's not what Trump meant. He is a idiot. He never understood the situation from the beginning. And what he did understand he ignored it or Lied about it because he thought it would cost him election.

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According to credibly accused serial sexual abuser and grandma killer, Obergruppenfuher Cuomo, New York State residents who have had the the magical elixir may take their masks off on Wednesday.  Why Wednesday and not this very instant, who the hell knows?  He probably just enjoys getting off on asserting his authority.  

I can't wait to see the dynamic that ensues.  There are plenty of vaxxed people who are completely on board with this panic and don't want to let go of their security blankets.  On the other hand, those who haven't been dosed share a lot of overlap with the demographic that has understood right from the get-go that masks were theater, a form of virtue-signaling, and that they never did a thing to mitigate the spread of this virus.  Those people are surely going to throw off their masks at the first opportunity.  So you're going to see people "allowed" to take off their masks who will stubbornly cling to them, while you'll see people who are "forbidden" yet whip the damn things off anyway.   I suppose it'll all come down to how willing places are to demand proof of vaccination.  Is there any business that's entitled to know personal medical information?  

I guess it'll be like cops who demand ID in the course of a Terry Stop, knowing that they're not legally entitled to it but understanding that most people are too stupid to know that and will be intimidated enough to cough up their license.  Places will try to ask and if someone complies, great, if not, they're not going to push it.  Personally, I can't see how the genie gets put back into the bottle.  Masks are going to go away the next few weeks and when people see that the world doesn't end, they'll stay off.  



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I guess Covid will take its lunch break at the same time as the rest of us.
Covid is incredibly thoughtful to never strike while you're eating, drinking, or gambling.

Srossi cracks me up. He nailed it though.




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wittman2 wrote: Here in Ohio they are lifting the mask mandate in 2 weeks. The governor has created 2 lotteries, 1 for adults and one for children. If you are an adult and vaxxed, you are entered into a lotto for a 1 million dollar prize, 5 adults can win. If you are child and vaxxed, you are entered into a drawing for a full ride to any state university.
Maryland must need a way to bolster its COVID numbers too. Giving away $40K for 40 days for vaccinated Maryland residents.

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So this commercial plays 280 times a day in NY on every channel. It’s the the city’s desperate effort to get black people to vaccinate by having doctors who are “people of color” talk about how they know you don’t trust the government but please get your shots. This has been airing non-stop for almost a month and even though they won’t publicly acknowledge it, stuff like this proves that they understand that it’s not really a Trump supporter issue in NYC. It’s black people who refuse to be vaccinated at far higher proportions than any other segment of the population. This is really heavy-handed too and I can’t see the ad changing anyone’s mind. They just scream that they’re doctors for 90 seconds, as if that’s supposed to give them credibility, and you know the target audience is laughing and saying, “Shut the fuck up, you rich Uncle Tom motherfuckers.”

https://youtu.be/-BkPoy1JNww



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srossi wrote: So this commercial plays 280 times a day in NY on every channel. It’s the the city’s desperate effort to get black people to vaccinate by having doctors who are “people of color” talk about how they know you don’t trust the government but please get your shots. This has been airing non-stop for almost a month and even though they won’t publicly acknowledge it, stuff like this proves that they understand that it’s not really a Trump supporter issue in NYC. It’s black people who refuse to be vaccinated at far higher proportions than any other segment of the population. This is really heavy-handed too and I can’t see the ad changing anyone’s mind. They just scream that they’re doctors for 90 seconds, as if that’s supposed to give them credibility, and you know the target audience is laughing and saying, “Shut the fuck up, you rich Uncle Tom motherfuckers.”

https://youtu.be/-BkPoy1JNww

0:31 second mark. "Especially right now when people of color...continue to experience unjust harm during the COVID-19 pandemic..."
Lost me on that one.   So many ways to go on this, but he doesn't say "due to the pandemic", but "during" the pandemic, which to me, yeah, is heavy handed race-card BS.   Harm is never justified at any time, and there's certainly a lot of people suffering right now.  Is he tying Covid to police issues?  I think they are unrelated.  Is he tying issues with school being closed due to Covid affecting kids of color disproportionally?  I guess that could be considered harm, but this is a PSA on the covid shot for adults.  Weird.



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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: So this commercial plays 280 times a day in NY on every channel. It’s the the city’s desperate effort to get black people to vaccinate by having doctors who are “people of color” talk about how they know you don’t trust the government but please get your shots. This has been airing non-stop for almost a month and even though they won’t publicly acknowledge it, stuff like this proves that they understand that it’s not really a Trump supporter issue in NYC. It’s black people who refuse to be vaccinated at far higher proportions than any other segment of the population. This is really heavy-handed too and I can’t see the ad changing anyone’s mind. They just scream that they’re doctors for 90 seconds, as if that’s supposed to give them credibility, and you know the target audience is laughing and saying, “Shut the fuck up, you rich Uncle Tom motherfuckers.”

https://youtu.be/-BkPoy1JNww

0:31 second mark. "Especially right now when people of color...continue to experience unjust harm during the COVID-19 pandemic..."
Lost me on that one.   So many ways to go on this, but he doesn't say "due to the pandemic", but "during" the pandemic, which to me, yeah, is heavy handed race-card BS.   Harm is never justified at any time, and there's certainly a lot of people suffering right now.  Is he tying Covid to police issues?  I think they are unrelated.  Is he tying issues with school being closed due to Covid affecting kids of color disproportionally?  I guess that could be considered harm, but this is a PSA on the covid shot for adults.  Weird.

It’s definitely a reference to police brutality and tying that into a lack of trust amongst minorities of the government. 



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Big Garea Fan wrote: Weather has gotten warmer, COVID numbers have improved (here in Maryland, new cases are down, hospitalizations are down, but we still have 20 deaths per day)


Why the improvement: vaccines or warm weather? What say you?

I would like to say that the improvement in the numbers is because of the vaccine but I have my doubts. Now the guidance is that if you are fully vaccinated you don't need to bother getting a COVID test if you are exposed to someone who is infected. This guidance is being justified by claiming that the costs outweigh the benefits and that positive results could lead to unnecessary interruptions such as quarantines and shutdowns.


The entire article is here: https://www.wbal.com/article/515484/188/covid-testings-value-shrinks-as-vaccines-beat-back-virus

I have been trying to figure out why the number of new cases and hospitalization rate have dropped drastically while the deaths per day seems to stay consistent. I guess if people aren't being tested, that would lead to a drop in the number of new cases.


It is amazing how the COVID situation in the US has done a complete 180 since Biden took office.

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Jan and I and her sister and BIL were at Myrtle Beach this weekend. Neither of us have worn a mask in over 2 weeks and the VAST majority of everyone there were mask-less too....but I'd say 90% of all the black folk (won't say people of color because almost NONE of the Hispanic people were in masks) were still wearing masks, almost to the EXTREME. At breakfast yesterday there was a table of 6 black women, all prob 20-40 years of age, sitting there at the table waiting on their food still in their masks...when the food got there they took them down but I noticed one of them would pull her mask down to her chin, take a bite, then pull it back up. I swear it was all I could do not to laugh loudly watching it..

As far as I could see, Covid is over...



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OK, so here's the in-laws update.  I took a week to decompress after a pretty disastrous Vegas trip to let all this sink in.

So quick recap, we were going to Vegas to do some business regarding real estate and maybe even have a little fun at night.  My in-laws were supposed to babysit as they hadn't seen my son for 2 years, so they were really looking forward to it.  We were planning on letting them have quality time together most of the trip.  Less than a week before we left, they got Covid.  Well, my father-in-law probably got Covid and spread it to my mother-in-law and half of Arizona by being stupid.  So now we're fucked for our trip.  So they wind up in the hospital and a cousin drives from California to Arizona to take the dogs. 

So we get to Vegas and do our business stuff during the mornings/afternoons of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.  Our son is mostly really good.  We drove all over Vegas and got some leads on some properties and the rents we could expect and found a good property manager.  We were able to spend some time at the pool and on Thursday night we went to a show and walked the Strip and paid a ridiculous amount of money for an in-room babysitter that night.  I got in a whopping 45 minutes of gambling at the Roulette table the entire trip and turned $100 into $550 before I ran out of time.

At some point during the week, my father-in-law is released from the hospital and goes back to the RV, and he's really confused and can't figure out what medications to take or anything.  My wife is trying to manage him while we're doing this other shit.  He gets a nurse to stop by every other day from Medicare and she has to coordinate all that too because he won't/can't answer his phone.  My wife is also coordinating all grocery deliveries, which is a nightmare because he keeps on not answering the phone or door, and he can't hear at all when talking on the phone.  On Friday morning, she comes over and my wife is on the line with them as the nurse is there and she actually says he's doing semi-OK. 

As my wife is on the phone with the nurse and her dad on Friday morning, she gets a text from the cousin who says that the dogs are keeping them up all night and they have to go.  They had them for more than a week at that point and there was no warning this was coming.  If there had been, it would've been awful but we could've figured something out.  But they sprung this on us and had the attitude that we were in Vegas having fun so we need to take responsibility, even though that was literally the one thing someone other than my wife had done to help since this whole thing started.  They wouldn't negotiate, there are issues boarding them because we don't know if they're up-to-date on their shots, and it's just a mess. 

So that's the end of Vegas.  The room was almost literally free during the week (like $10 each night) except on Friday when it jumped back to its regular price of $300 for the weekend rush.  We had to eat that.  We spent all day Friday driving from Vegas to Visalia, CA to pick up the dogs.  They wouldn't let us stay there that night, so we then immediately drove from Visalia to Simi Valley to spend the night with my wife's friend.  Total driving time on Friday: 8 1 /2 hours. 

Then on Saturday we drove from Simi Valley to the RV Park in Bullhead City, AZ to drop the dogs off with my father-in-law, who is probably not capable of caring for them, and we tried to not get Covid in the process.  Then we drove back to Vegas to catch our flight.  Total driving time: 6 1/2 hours.  All with a 4 year old, and still having a 6 hour flight home. 

That side of the family is dead to me, to put it mildly.  How was the cousin not murdered, you ask?  Well on Thursday night after we walked the Strip I bought a bunch of gummies at a dispensary that were supposed to be for fun, but just taking 1 every couple of hours turned out to be a great stress reliever and allowed me not to murder anyone.  I popped gummies in 3 states in 2 days.  I think I probably could've gotten into a lot of trouble by taking them across state lines even though they're legal in all of them, but oh well.  It prevented a homicide as I stayed fairly docile and simply refused to speak to the cousin for the 1 minutes we were there, and I went to his bathroom and pissed on his floor and maybe a little in his bathtub.  Whoops, I have bad aim when stoned I guess. 

So right after we got home, my mother-in-law was released from the hospital.  She doesn't get a nurse, but my father-in-law's nurse is nice enough to check on her too.  They owe more than $100,000 in hospital and other bills and will need to declare bankruptcy.  Their finances weren't great ever since they retired anyway, but now they're irreparably ruined to a comical degree.  Covid has seemed to really make my father-in-law more confused than usual.  I always had dementia concerns with him, but I think Covid just sped up that process by years.  I'm not sure if there's been any studies on this, but there's no doubt in my mind but this has had an effect.  We've basically demanded that they sell that stupid RV and move to the east coast so we never have to deal with something like this again if there's a medical emergency. 



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It's funny you mention Bullhead City. I had a patient yesterday who was in her 60's and grew up there and now lives in KC. I asked her why she moved here and she told me that there was no future in the city and the schools were shit and she didn't want her kids growing up to be casino workers so she moved to KC in her 30's. I'd never heard of the place till yesterday.

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