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 Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2020 03:27 pm
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cookie32723 wrote: Superstar wrote: Has the overwhelming support for Kanye West from the Yeezy Nation impacted the results yet?
He actually got some votes in Kentucky 😂 

He got a few thousand votes in a lot of states. 

https://apple.news/AwOxDSsreRJq1g4bqtdrJ9A

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A candidate who died of Covid last month has won his race.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-dakota-state-legislative-candidate-david-andahl-who-died-from-covid-19-wins-election



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srossi wrote: A candidate who died of Covid last month has won his race.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/north-dakota-state-legislative-candidate-david-andahl-who-died-from-covid-19-wins-election


Sounds ridiculous until you read the story. With the huge number of elected officials in the US, this must happen more than people think.



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There will be an explanation for this. If you were going to rig a election, this would a crazy mistake to make, having done the hard bit of getting the ballots in and counted. Theory: the ballots were separated by candidate before being counted, and this is Biden's total from that process. Only crazies on the internet are picking up on this. Also possible that the screenshot was taken at a specific point in the middle of figures being added and someone caught it just as Biden's figures were added. Or maybe it's just FRAUDULANT!

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It’s not looking good for Trump this morning. This is going to be a nightmare when Trump refuses to leave and these results get litigated.



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Kriss wrote: Theory: the ballots were separated by candidate before being counted, and this is Biden's total from that process.
^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.



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Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: Theory: the ballots were separated by candidate before being counted, and this is Biden's total from that process.
^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.
It's only fraud if shenanigans are attached to the method. Could be just a stupid method.

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khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: Kriss wrote: Theory: the ballots were separated by candidate before being counted, and this is Biden's total from that process.
^^^This would be complete and utter fraud.  You're opening ballots and tossing them in a pile for each presidential candidate?  What about the votes for other candidates in the races down the ballot?  And what happens if a pile or two disappears magically?  This would be a huge fraud.
It's only fraud if shenanigans are attached to the method. Could be just a stupid method.


I'd forgotten you use one ballot paper for every vote. My second theory that it's simply down to the way the data was input into whatever website makes more sense anyway. 



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srossi wrote: Fox News has just given MN to Biden. It’s hilarious to hear Fox speak from a very clear Trump perspective and everyone else speaking from a Biden perspective. Can anyone be impartial?  No one is reporting, everyone is rooting. 

Trump campaigned harder here than any Republican I can remember. He lost by a narrow margin to Hillary, so he and his team felt taking the state was legitimately possible. Their efforts caused Biden to step up his game in Minnesota in response, with several visits of his own. In the past, visits by the candidates were very rare and were along the lines of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama coming in to help congressional, senatorial, and gubernatorial candidates with joint appearances. 

No Republican candidate for President has carried Minnesota since Richard Nixon in 1972 and before then it was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, neither winning the state by a landslide. The Trump campaign's internal numbers probably provided enough data to justify the efforts, but I wonder now if they're regretting the time and effort spent here instead of on other, closer battleground states that might end up slipping away when the final count is finished.

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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: Fox News has just given MN to Biden. It’s hilarious to hear Fox speak from a very clear Trump perspective and everyone else speaking from a Biden perspective. Can anyone be impartial?  No one is reporting, everyone is rooting. 

Trump campaigned harder here than any Republican I can remember. He lost by a narrow margin to Hillary, so he and his team felt taking the state was legitimately possible. Their efforts caused Biden to step up his game in Minnesota in response, with several visits of his own. In the past, visits by the candidates were very rare and were along the lines of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama coming in to help congressional, senatorial, and gubernatorial candidates with joint appearances. 

No Republican candidate for President has carried Minnesota since Richard Nixon in 1972 and before then it was Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, neither winning the state by a landslide. The Trump campaign's internal numbers probably provided enough data to justify the efforts, but I wonder now if they're regretting the time and effort spent here instead of on other, closer battleground states that might end up slipping away when the final count is finished.

MN was all emotion and little strategy for the GOP. It’s all about that being George Floyd’s state. They wanted to prove a point there, especially in the wake of the protests. Reading my friends’ comments on FB, they were very focused on winning MN for the first time because of the “liberal tears”. They screwed themselves.  They closed the gap but weren’t going to win there. 

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It's interesting that Fox News has called Arizona for Biden but CNN merely has it leaning to Biden with the result still uncertain. You'd think things would occur the other way around.

In response to srossi, it never occurred to me that the George Floyd situation was why Trump pursued Minnesota so intensely, but it should have. That makes perfect sense. 

Trump is going to get more votes in Minnesota in 2020 than in 2016, but his margin of defeat is much wider this time around. Hillary got 1,367,716 and 46.44% to Trump's 1,322,951 and 44.92% in 2016. With 94% of the vote counted, Biden has 1,685,278 and 52.5% while Trump has 45.4% and 1,457,439. Last time around, candidates outside of the Big 2 parties got 8.64% of the vote. As it currently stands, this time it's only 2.10%. 

My take on that is some people hated Hillary Clinton so much, yet didn't think Trump had a chance to win Minnesota, that they supported non traditional candidates that had no chance of winning in 2016. This time, with the Democrats not running a candidate who so alienated people, in combination with fears of Trump taking the state, voters who went for other candidates came back to vote for Biden. 

That said, there were probably some Republicans in 2016 that couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump and also therefore supported non traditional candidates, figuring the Republicans never win Minnesota and he had no chance. In, fact he had a chance last time and appeared to this time, so some of these people probably went for Trump this time around although likely not as many who went from third party and protest votes in 2016 to Biden in 2020.

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This probably hurts Trump’s soul, but the stock market is flying this morning as a Biden victory looks more likely. Crypto is also way up.



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It looks like Biden has won Wisconsin, and Trump is demanding a recount.



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Regardless of who wins, the other side will contest it as illegitimate. America had played itself like a fiddle. A few dry smiles in Russia, China and Iran I'm sure.



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