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KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.



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BitterOldMan wrote: KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.


Apart from providing evidence to support what I said, did you have a point in writing that?



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BitterOldMan wrote: KGB wrote: Spatulapup wrote: Go watch the video of the US army guy harassing a black kid walking in his neighborhood in Columbia sc. White people do not go through this. It's the same with cops. There is a difference in the treatment for whites and blacks in these situations.

Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through".  
I grew up on the west side of Chicago, in a neighborhood where being white definitely left me in the minority. I witnessed houses on my block being torched in 1968, and had the National Guard patrolling the street I lived on (we were just north of Austin High School, where the Guard had their temp HQ)

Fuck off, been there done that.



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Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.



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Assuming you're white, I suggest you take a stroll through certain areas of Chicongo, Detroit, Baltimore, etc. and see what white people would "go through". 
This shouldn't be slept on, I didn't see it until it it was in the vortex. It's a new one to me.

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srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.


Video completely contradicts this post. But whatever, that doesn't matter to a fucktard like you.



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srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.

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I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

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Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.



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khawk wrote: I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

The public and some people here seem to think that cops should be waiting to see if they are killed before responding in any way and that any time someone is being taken into custody and they resist they should just be allowed to leave.




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khawk wrote: I guess the question is how long the officer should have/could have waited before firing. The time is so fast between the kid stopping and the officer shooting, two points of view are valid, IMO:
1) The officer belived the kid had a gun (and according to Blazer he did basically up until he stopped), so the perp stopping and turning would have been grounds to shoot if the officer believed he was armed.
2) The officer gave the perp no time to show he did not have the gun anymore and might have been trying to just put his hands up to surrender.

If the officer waits and the kid still had the gun, the officer is the one who is dead. But at the same time it's not wrong to say he should have waited another split second to see if the kid really still had the weapon.

Complete catch-22 here to me.

Just a quick comment also - police knew he had a gun, told him to "drop the fucking gun", so what should the perp do?  Sling the gun behind a fence not visible to the officer or drop the gun in front of the officer?  Officer thought he still had the gun and had no time to process what had just happened.  There's a terrific camera angle on the CPD site from the house behind the fence where the shooting took place.  It's hard to describe this in words, but you can see the kid run up and sling the gun behind the fence as he turns to face the officer while his gun-hand was hidden until literally the last split-second.  Hate to have to analyze this like it's the Zapruder film, but the officer had to make a life-and-death decision in a split second.  

The court of public opinion is out in full force though on Twitter ("poor baby, he was ONLY 13!, kill the police!")  It's nuts.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt. 



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Blazer wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt.

Don't feed the trolls.  AA doesn't care about the topic, he just follows me around and disagrees, and literally admitted the last time when I agreed with him that he changed his opinion mid-way through the thread to argue the other side against me (after a night of heavy drinking, and it's almost 10pm so he should be 8 bottles in by now).  So when he's in, I'm out.  Have no interest in continuing the discussion.  I refer you to my signature below.



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Blazer wrote: The court of public opinion is out in full force though on Twitter ("poor baby, he was ONLY 13!, kill the police!")  It's nuts.It's to be expected, and I understand the reaction, as noted the news is pushing the tragedy aspect of it but not from a "Tragedy on both ends" perspective, as it should be given all the elements involved. The last year's worth of reaction to cop incidents, right or wrong, sailed the ship on balanced reporting about these incidents a long time ago.
That's a damn shame, because these are the ones you NEED balanced reporting so badly.

I hope the Chauvin verdict isn't coming too soon, that one could be the gasoline on the kindling.

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srossi wrote: Blazer wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Blazer wrote: srossi wrote: Well now they killed a 13-year old boy while his hands were up after lying and saying he had a gun. Are they still not aware of the idea of cameras? This one is even more horrific than most.
It's a Chicago incident, so I'm at ground zero.  The media is twisting the fuck out of this though.

Short story: 13 year old hispanic kid is out at 2am running with a street gang.  He's run away from home twice, no dad in his life, hanging with a 21 year old.  They popped off eight rounds from a pistol at a car.  Police called.  Hispanic kid (who by the way looks like he's 20, has a mustache, tall kid) runs down alley with 9 mm pistol in his right hand the entire time.  Police yelling at him to stop.  Kid gets to a fence and slings the gun behind fence as he turns around, and the officer shoots literally a millisecond as kid raises his empty hands up. Media is all over this taking that still shot of his hands being up and plastering it all over tv trying to drum up tension, while CPD showed video clips in real time of how it happened from different camera angles.  The gun sling to hands-up time was like 0,18 seconds.

I don't even know what to say.  Should he have been shot?  No.   Is the officer guilty of misconduct?  My opinion, no.  At some point, if we're going to let criminals own the streets, then we're done.

This kid was the same age as my son, who's at home drinking hot cocoa and playing Minecraft and in bed by 10:30.  Parents got to parent.  That's the shittiest part of this.  I can't blame the kid or the police on that as much as the parents.


The people on here who rag on cops as their profession should maybe consider trying it for the day.


This bullshit that the kid didn't have a gun is bordering on the insane.  The cop had a millisecond to decide whether to shoot or be shot. The kid raising his could just as easily been him preparing to shoot at the cop.

Of course we aren't all psychic like rossi who knows all and believes this kid is completely blameless because that is the narrative that psycho cop haters use.

Cops are going in to Sunday service and pulling black and hispanic individuals out of the pews and taking them out and shooting them. Cops responded to a shots fired call and come across these two individuals fleeing the scene.

No those were good kids heading to the 7-11 for a slurpee at 3 in the morning.

Seek psychological help rossi. You need it desperately.

Rossi's on the east coast and not going to see the real story on this unless he's following my super secret Twitter feed or some of the conservative Chicago crime watch blogs.  Give him the benefit of the doubt for now.  But, the media is just itching to stir shit up right now with Brooklyn Center, this Chicago incident, and the Chauvin verdict coming up really soon.  This is like a powder keg ready to erupt.

Don't feed the trolls.  AA doesn't care about the topic, he just follows me around and disagrees, and literally admitted the last time when I agreed with him that he changed his opinion mid-way through the thread to argue the other side against me (after a night of heavy drinking, and it's almost 10pm so he should be 8 bottles in by now).  So when he's in, I'm out.  Have no interest in continuing the discussion.  I refer you to my signature below.

I think you are confusing me with KGB or someone else.  If your take makes sense I'll agree with you but your takes rarely do.  Mostly they are just you getting a stiffy by upping your post count.

Personally I'm up to nearly 8000 posts which you likely had your first day here.

Your all consuming hatred of cops makes you completely blind to what is going on out there and finding fault with them and them alone no matter the circumstances clearly shows you have a screw loose.

People play stupid games and win stupid prizes. And they die.  Parents at fault. 13 year old at fault. His peers at fault.  Cop not at fault.



He did not tell the 13 year to run around with a gun taking shots at whoever or whatever at 3 in the morning.



Nowhere in a cops job description does it say "wait to see if you get shot before returning fire or firing at an individual who clearly has a gun.

If you can find me any cases where cops just flat out executed someone with no provocation whatsoever (don't try going all the way back to the days of Eliot Ness) then you might get my attention.

And this "I'm out" bullshit is a joke. This isn't an airport you don't have to announce your departure, just leave.  You'll be back in here bad mouthing KGB or someone else because they won't bow down to the all knowing Grand Poobah of garbage posts you feel you are before I've drained my 15th beer. 



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