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 Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2022 03:51 pm
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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Roe officially overturned now. Wow, I really never thought I’d see the day.

You pretty much live in a religious theocracy in the US now. Religion rules the law almost as much as places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even the heathen New England states are far more religious than most parts of Western Europe. People talk about the US President being the most powerful man in the world. Can't even do squat in his own country.

Well that last part is a good thing. 

The Supreme Court decision is technically correct. Even RBG in moments of clarity admitted Roe was on tenuous legal ground. There clearly is no constitutional right to abortion. We had 40 years to pass an amendment and decided not to. We passed an amendment to ban alcohol and then un-ban it again in a matter of a few years, but decades go by and they couldn’t figure this one out. And now we have this incredibly impractical and disastrous reality which really doesn’t affect abortion at all, it’s just another roadblock for the poor and the dumb. Abortions will be easy for everyone else to get legally by taking a little road trip. We’re just playing games here. 



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Roe officially overturned now. Wow, I really never thought I’d see the day.

You pretty much live in a religious theocracy in the US now. Religion rules the law almost as much as places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even the heathen New England states are far more religious than most parts of Western Europe. People talk about the US President being the most powerful man in the world. Can't even do squat in his own country.


Define "religion".  Western Europe is governed by the prevailing morality of the people living there, and to the same degree as any other part of the world.  You're still approaching the same questions as anyone else, answering them in a way that seems correct to you, and governing your society accordingly.  Whether you choose to call it religion or not is beside the point.



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KGB wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Roe officially overturned now. Wow, I really never thought I’d see the day.

You pretty much live in a religious theocracy in the US now. Religion rules the law almost as much as places like Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even the heathen New England states are far more religious than most parts of Western Europe. People talk about the US President being the most powerful man in the world. Can't even do squat in his own country.


Define "religion".  Western Europe is governed by the prevailing morality of the people living there, and to the same degree as any other part of the world.  You're still approaching the same questions as anyone else, answering them in a way that seems correct to you, and governing your society accordingly.  Whether you choose to call it religion or not is beside the point.

When you look at Trumpism on the right and wokeness on the left, it’s increasingly apparent that religion has been replaced in the U.S. by something that is even worse and more concrete in the most awful ways. Secular worship of tyrants, gender studies professors, scientists (only the ones that validate your pre-existing viewpoint), politicians, etc. seems more dangerous than praying to your imaginary best friend. When railing against organized religion, the piece I always missed is the obvious one: the average person is incredibly weak and stupid and need someone to tell them what to do, and they can’t function without this. 



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The irony of all this is that late term abortion will become, if not more common, legal in more areas.

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I've made this point before, but even in the worst fever dreams the left has of, say, Victorian England or 1950's America, the presence of the ruling class' morality in one's day-to-day life were never as inescapable as they are today.  Corporations, the government, the academy, and the media all implore the person of 2022 to sincerely embrace The Message or be cast into the void.  Your status as an acceptable member of society is contingent on subscribing to the proper views regarding sexuality, race, climate, and other litmus tests.  

You can't go to a museum or zoo without being told what a rotten person you are for consuming the earth's resources.  You can't watch TV without being reminded that blacks are a superior race; and forget about using sportsball as an escape, it's all woke all the time.  You can't consume any mainstream media unless you pay obeisance to the notion that victimhood is ubiquitous and most of it is your fault.  Over and over you are exhorted to examine and atone for your sins.  And that's religion any way you slice it.  



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As a test, ask what would have happened to a line worker at a Ford Plant in 1950 who proclaimed himself an atheist and declared that Christianity was pie-in-the-sky nonsense.  Now, think about the same worker in 2022 who says in the break room that men in sundresses are mentally ill or that black crime rates are not merely a function of poverty.  

Which one is more likely to be fired?  



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dr_papufnik wrote: The irony of all this is that late term abortion will become, if not more common, legal in more areas.
It’s like everything else these days. We’re going to go extreme left and extreme tight simultaneously and common sense is the victim. 



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KGB wrote: As a test, ask what would have happened to a line worker at a Ford Plant in 1950 who proclaimed himself an atheist and declared that Christianity was pie-in-the-sky nonsense.  Now, think about the same worker in 2022 who says in the break room that men in sundresses are mentally ill or that black crime rates are not merely a function of poverty.  

Which one is more likely to be fired?  
#1 because he has to be a communist.

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indikator wrote: KGB wrote: As a test, ask what would have happened to a line worker at a Ford Plant in 1950 who proclaimed himself an atheist and declared that Christianity was pie-in-the-sky nonsense.  Now, think about the same worker in 2022 who says in the break room that men in sundresses are mentally ill or that black crime rates are not merely a function of poverty.  

Which one is more likely to be fired?  
#1 because he has to be a communist.

He would also end up in Jail after Joe McCarthy and his cronies framed him for passing info to the Kremlin. 

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1540371534761676800?cxt=HHwWgMC--fzvv-AqAAAA



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indikator wrote: KGB wrote: As a test, ask what would have happened to a line worker at a Ford Plant in 1950 who proclaimed himself an atheist and declared that Christianity was pie-in-the-sky nonsense.  Now, think about the same worker in 2022 who says in the break room that men in sundresses are mentally ill or that black crime rates are not merely a function of poverty.  

Which one is more likely to be fired?  
#1 because he has to be a communist.


I realize you're joking, but even if that were the case he'd have been a protected member of a union headed by men steeped in Marxist thought.  



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KGB wrote: indikator wrote: KGB wrote: As a test, ask what would have happened to a line worker at a Ford Plant in 1950 who proclaimed himself an atheist and declared that Christianity was pie-in-the-sky nonsense.  Now, think about the same worker in 2022 who says in the break room that men in sundresses are mentally ill or that black crime rates are not merely a function of poverty.  

Which one is more likely to be fired?  
#1 because he has to be a communist.


I realize you're joking, but even if that were the case he'd have been a protected member of a union headed by men steeped in Marxist thought.  

He’s actually 100% correct. That’s more or less exactly as it would’ve gone down in many, many places. You absolutely could not be openly atheist in polite society in the ‘50s. You’re delusional. 



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Franchise wrote: Maxine Waters speaks


https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1540371534761676800?cxt=HHwWgMC--fzvv-AqAAAA

You can always expect a thoughtful, measured reply from this one. 



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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Maxine Waters speaks


https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1540371534761676800?cxt=HHwWgMC--fzvv-AqAAAA

You can always expect a thoughtful, measured reply from this one. 
They should do an insurrection, but a good one, not like the one in January! 

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This absolutely disgusting.  Attorney General Merrick Garland issues a statement on behalf of the Department of Justice all but saying that he won't lift a finger to assist in enforcing the law of the land.  

“Today, the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey and held that the right to abortion is no longer protected by the Constitution.

“The Supreme Court has eliminated an established right that has been an essential component of women’s liberty for half a century – a right that has safeguarded women’s ability to participate fully and equally in society. And in renouncing this fundamental right, which it had repeatedly recognized and reaffirmed, the Court has upended the doctrine of stare decisis, a key pillar of the rule of law.

“The Justice Department strongly disagrees with the Court’s decision. This decision deals a devastating blow to reproductive freedom in the United States. It will have an immediate and irreversible impact on the lives of people across the country. And it will be greatly disproportionate in its effect – with the greatest burdens felt by people of color and those of limited financial means. *


Why would the DOJ take a stance in either direction?  Shouldn't it by definition take no stance on laws and seek only to enforce them impartially?   He's giving a very clear signal that any chimp outs from Roe supporters will be given a nod and wink approval.   And by his logic, didn't the court simply return to a Constitutional principle that was in force for close to two centuries?   As for stare decisis, does that mean Brown v. Board was also a mistake? 


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-statement-supreme-court-ruling-dobbs-v-jackson-women-s#:~:text=%E2%80%9CFew%20rights%20are%20more%20central,civil%20rights%20of%20all%20Americans.%E2%80%9D

* Apropos the discussion above, note that The Message is part of his statement.  Every. Single. Time. 




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