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 Posted: Mon Sep 7th, 2020 05:47 pm
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DaClyde wrote: paulsosn wrote: 12/21/37 Evansville IN vs. Orville Brown - Double Count Out *** your records have this as a 90 minute draw, don't know which one is correct*** 

From the 22 Dec 1937 Evansville Press: "After 64 minutes of rough going, with Thesz the aggressor, the two huskies tumbled out of the ring.  Brown started back and Thesz grabed[sic] his leg.. The they started some fists tossing to the delight of the front row customers.  Referee Dick Patton counted both men out.  And after a 10 minute rest they returned to finish the 90 minute time limit without a fall."

So, the answer is 'yes'.  The 23 Dec Evansville Courier reported pretty much the same thing, that Patton counted both out because they were preventing each other from re-entering the ring.  As it would have been the first fall, they just continued with the second fall.  Not sure how that would have worked, as neither would have received credit for the first fall.

Most territories just completely avoided the scenario of having any fall either than the third ending in some kind of tie. Some promoters, however (Paul Boesch in Houston did this quite a few times) sometimes booked a ddq or dco in the first fall, splitting the next two falls, and therefore the match ended in a draw. Other promoters would give a fall to each competitor for a dco or ddq (Amarillo did this), meaning that the next fall would be the decider.

This is an early example of Thesz and his various inventive ways of finishing a match without a winner. In the 1950s and 60s he was fond of doing a finish where he and his opponent would clash heads with Thesz in the ring and his opponent on the apron. The opponent would fall to the ground and be counted out, while Thesz would counted down for ten in the ring for a knockout-countout tie. It was very rare for anyone else to use that finish, but Thesz used it quite often. People talk about him as the legendary "hooker," but he was a master of using the framework of professional wrestling to tell great stories in the ring. A great worker in every sense of the word.

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