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 Posted: Fri Jun 10th, 2022 09:45 pm
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Superstar wrote: It was never meant to be peaceful. Virtually everybody that went to it was wound up by Trump for weeks. I think Trump should bear a brunt of the responsibility for it also. And no, I don't think it was a mass hysteria meant to overthrow the US Gov't, it was meant to keep Trump in control of it. The only agitators were the Trump supporters...I don't believe there were any plants in the crowd to fuck with them.
I agree but I think most there got in over their heads.  They expected the typical prancing and preening and weren't expecting an actual storming of the Capitol.  When that started, most came to their senses and got the fuck out of there or held way back, and you can see that in the videos.  Some got caught up in the moment because they're not very bright people in the first place and didn't comprehend the seriousness of being anywhere near the front lines of a coup.  Years of too much shit-posting online desensitized them to the consequences of that action.  But there were a couple hundred people there minimum who planned violence and saw this as the moment they had been preparing for online for year, the same way as some mass shooters. 

We live in a society where words rarely have legal consequences anymore, which is a good thing.  You can be "canceled", but that only works if you have something to lose.  Most of these people don't, so it comes down to "Can I be arrested or killed or not for doing something."  And the answer is almost always no.  People understood in the 1700s and 1800s that if you did even minor things like distribute anti-government pamphlets, you absolutely might be hung for it, even if technically it might be legal.  You had to really be a bad-ass who believed to spread political propaganda.  That's gone now and it became a game to these people through way too much social media, even when their words crossed into actions and they were live-streaming themselves crawling through broken windows in the Capitol itself.  There's almost literally no other point in history and no other country in the world where all of those people wouldn't have been brutally murdered on the spot.  And of course there's no other people in history who would do such a thing and not fully expect to die for it, and be OK with that because they believe.  But these cosplayers are surprised and whining that they might get 2 years in jail.  

As for Trump, he's such an egomaniac I think he was beyond flattered that he could get his minions to do that for him, and didn't want to stop them.  There's no doubt he riled them up and wanted that to happen, his words that morning can't be taken any other way.  He probably just didn't expect them to actually do it because everyone is always a keyboard warrior but don't like to get their hands dirty.  

This thread was great before AA ruined it.