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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:03 am
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For whose who saw Him, how good was He? Can You compare Him to anybody today, or someone else ( besides Greg) from the past?

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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:05 am
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You need to talk to CM.  He gets all gooey when he speaks of Johnny V.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:07 am
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Papa Voo wrote: You need to talk to CM.  He gets all gooey when he speaks of Johnny V.
I would rather spend all day with My Mother-in-Law, then talk to CM.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:09 am
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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:20 am
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Never saw Johnny wrestle live and have only seen him on tape a few times. Not enough to make an accurate judgment. He's like Kiniski to me in that he was active in my home territory (AWA & WWA) before I started watching wrestling.



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 Posted: Wed Apr 21st, 2010 03:24 am
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From what I've seen, he's exactly like watching Greg wrestle. Solid but unspectacular. He's been largely lionized for having his career cut short and for being in the same plane as Rick Flerr.

Also known for his sadistic ribs on other wrestlers and touching noses with Indians.



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I saw Johnny several times live and he was light years ahead of Greg. The only way they compare is that they both worked stiff and used the elbow as their main weapon.

Valentine (Johnny) had more crowd control in terms of heat than anyone I ever saw before or since.  He did everything extremely slow. It would take him nearly 10 minutes to get from the dressing room to the ring. He would stop every 5 feet or so and look around at the upper decks of whatever auditorium he was in. Each time he stopped, the boos got louder. By the time he put his foot on the bottom ring step it was deafening. He had the same results in reverse as a babyface. He was very slow paced and methodical in his ring work, but again it was his way of controlling the crowd's emotions.

He never raised his voice during an interview. Very cut and dry and to the point, which in those days made him seem that much more threatening. Nowadays, everyone would say he sucks because he didn't have a cute catchphrase that the audience could repeat. Most fans today would hate his ring work as well because he didn't have any predictable signature spots that had to be done in each and every match that they could pop to.


But with him, you believed it was real.


I hope this doesn't come off as too CM-ish, but JV was the absolute best heel I ever saw work, bar none.

 
As far as closest to his persona when comparing today's workers, I'd say the Undertaker. Valentine sold more than UT, but same type mystique.
 

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WC related JV stuff aside, if the Mid-Atlantic territory was an oak tree, Valentine may have been close to 50% of the seed.

No sense in dragging the guy down over a message board that started long after his death.

There's a story out there about how a shady promoter left Valentine in the depths of South America in the early 50's with no money or means to communicate with someone that could help him, and how Valentine worked his way town-by-town back up to Columbus. OH.

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C.C. Milani wrote:
WC related JV stuff aside, if the Mid-Atlantic territory was an oak tree, Valentine may have been close to 50% of the seed.

No sense in dragging the guy down over a message board that started long after his death.

There's a story out there about how a shady promoter left Valentine in the depths of South America in the early 50's with no money or means to communicate with someone that could help him, and how Valentine worked his way town-by-town back up to Columbus. OH.


Valentine was sent to Argentina in 1947 by one or both of the Zbyszko brothers after they trained him in Missouri.

I don't know much, but I don't think he was the only American who worked there in those days.

Something might have happened down there. One of the Missouri papers reported that Valentine (he was still John Wisniski then) was being sent down there in 1947, but I don't think any match results of his have popped up prior to mid-1949.



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Johnny was absolutely way ahead of Greg. Greg works the same style yes but Johnny was just so much better.Partly because he was more imposing physically but largely becuase of how well he knew how to play the psychology. He really did know how to have people in the palm of his hand.

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No one today can lay a turd in a gym bag like Johnny Valentine.  When it comes to putting down a toilet steak of perfect length, consistency, and odor, only Johnny could do it all.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: No one today can lay a turd in a gym bag like Johnny Valentine.  When it comes to putting down a toilet steak of perfect length, consistency, and odor, only Johnny could do it all.

I saw the thread title and put the over/under at his bag-shitting abilities being mentioned at 5.

You folks went waaaaaay over. Congrats, I think....

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I only saw him a few times on TV in the early 1970's. Not a lot of lasting memories of him from then.  Saw a little on tape.  I already had a talking to by Crimson Mask years ago on KM for calling him boring.



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I have a few things on tape of his, mostly from the 1950s and early 60s, and I'd say he was one of the best wrestlers of his era. He was very large for the timeframe, and from I've seen, he was actually a bit of a brawler. I'd definately agree with those who say he was better than his son.



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