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what already established star did you legitimely not figure out was wrestling under a mask


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I honestly had no idea that Black Blood was Billy Jack Haynes until years later when I got on the Internet.

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I didn't know Killer Kowalski was one of the Executioners until
KK the Executioner was interviewed. Dead give away.

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I had no idea that JYD was Stagger Lee and Dusty Rhodes was the Midnight Rider.  I know Ted Dibussie and Kevin Sullivan were always saying it, but I didn't believe those guys. They were liars and cheats. 

 

In truth, I do remember kids on the playground arguing whether JYD was Stagger Lee or if it was really a bully he grew up with who owed him a favor and busted out of jail to avenge him.

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Would have never guessed The Masked Superstar was one of the Mongols.

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I got to know too many early smart marks like Ken Jugan and was always told who everyone was.  I guess I didn't know who the Executioner (Donn Lewin was)

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srossi wrote: I honestly had no idea that Black Blood was Billy Jack Haynes until years later when I got on the Internet.

This ^^

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Had no idea that Giant Machine was Andre The Giant. It wasn't until years later that I found out. I always had a sneaky suspicion it was Shohei Baba due to the strong resemblance that him and Giant Machine had in regards to their arm size. I guess Bobby Heenan was right after all.

As for the other two Machines, Super and Big, it bugged me that I couldn't place them right away. I knew they were real familiar(the tattoo and voice), but couldn't figure it out in time before Pro Wrestling Illustrated let the cat out of the bag in the next issue after they debuted that it was Mulligan and Eadie. Same deal with Ax of Demolition. It was on the tip of my tongue, but didn't figure it out in time before PWI gave him up.

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lobo316 wrote: I didn't know Killer Kowalski was one of the Executioners until
KK the Executioner was interviewed. Dead give away.

this one got me

for some reason i didnt realize studd was one of them either

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martini wrote: lobo316 wrote: I didn't know Killer Kowalski was one of the Executioners until
KK the Executioner was interviewed. Dead give away.

this one got me

for some reason i didnt realize studd was one of them either

Speaking of Big John Studd, where(territory) and when(month/year) did John Minton/Chuck O'Connor begin using the name of Big John Studd?
Also I saw some screencaps of the WWF tapings of 'Wrestling At The Chase' over at KM the other day and in the ones with Studd there was a blond haired manager type in a suit that was with Studd when he came to the ring. Who was that?
It didn't really look like Bobby Heenan, but I suppose it could have been.

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As for the other two Machines, Super and Big, it bugged me that I couldn't place them right away. I knew they were real familiar(the tattoo and voice), but couldn't figure it out in time before Pro Wrestling Illustrated let the cat out of the bag in the next issue after they debuted that it was Mulligan and Eadie. Same deal with Ax of Demolition. It was on the tip of my tongue, but didn't figure it out in time before PWI gave him up.


I was around too many smarks and read sheets too early on, but Super Machine and Big Machine were mysteries to me.  That was two I wondered about for a while. And Superstar had been in Mid-South a few months earlier.  Seems like I knew Mulligan but not Superstar at one point.

I just found out that the second Masked Superstar in Mid-South was Kelly kiniski a couple of years ago.  Dusty Wolfe swore it was Scott Irwin , but I knew it wasn't. Couldn't argue with him though, despite the fact that there was ample evidence against it being Irwin.

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srossi wrote: I honestly had no idea that Black Blood was Billy Jack Haynes until years later when I got on the Internet.

This

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carpetbeggar wrote

Speaking of Big John Studd, where(territory) and when(month/year) did John Minton/Chuck O'Connor begin using the name of Big John Studd?
Also I saw some screencaps of the WWF tapings of 'Wrestling At The Chase' over at KM the other day and in the ones with Studd there was a blond haired manager type in a suit that was with Studd when he came to the ring. Who was that?
It didn't really look like Bobby Heenan, but I suppose it could have been.

Wasn't Heenan. Mangon Maganoff

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beejmi wrote: carpetbeggar wrote

Speaking of Big John Studd, where(territory) and when(month/year) did John Minton/Chuck O'Connor begin using the name of Big John Studd?
Also I saw some screencaps of the WWF tapings of 'Wrestling At The Chase' over at KM the other day and in the ones with Studd there was a blond haired manager type in a suit that was with Studd when he came to the ring. Who was that?
It didn't really look like Bobby Heenan, but I suppose it could have been.

Wasn't Heenan. Mangon Maganoff

Oh okay, thanks. I see there is a thread going on right now about him over at KM. I haven't read it yet, so now I'll have to I guess.

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Never knew that Who was Jim Neidhart when he wrestling.

On a similar theme, I didn't pick Zip as Tom Pritchard.

I did know that DiBiase's Undertaker was not The Undertaker and correctly predicted their Summerslam match when he first appeared. Didn't realise that Chainz was the same guy until much later.

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As obvious as it is now I had no idea as a kid that Smash and Repo Man were the same person. Not until I read an apter mag that mentioned it for the buildup of Summerslam 1992. Also Papa Shango being the Godfather.

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Didn't realize Matt Borne was Doink.

Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

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kargol wrote:
Didn't realize Matt Borne was Doink.


You could show me any Doink today, and I would have no idea who was behind the paint.

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kargol wrote: Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

Dewey Robertson into Missing Link flew right over my head.

Does nobody having a clue that The Sensational Intelligent Destroyer and Dr. X were the same guy count in this?

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thunderbolt wrote:

Dewey Robertson into Missing Link flew right over my head.



Same here on that one.

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kargol wrote: Didn't realize Matt Borne was Doink.

Yeah I didn't realize it was him until I heard about it on Cody Boyns' free weekly pro wrestling phone hotline.
I learned a lot of 'inside smark stuff' from that Cody Boynes hotline back in the early to mid 90's. The best part is that it was totally free. In the yellow pages the phone company had this local free number you phoned and then you typed in a four digit code to get whatever type of info you were looking for. They had one for the weather, another for sports scores, another for NFL news, regular news, NHL, soap opera updates, horoscopes, quizs that you played over the phone, etc, etc, etc. They were all pre-recorded messages. I remember my best friend at the time phoning me up one day to tell me that they added a pro wrestling update done by Cody Boynes(who was based out of T.O. at the time I believe)every week. I'm sure the local phone companies across the country paid a fee to him to carry his hotline as part of their yellow book info hotlines. He used to credit the Observer and The Torch as his sources. It was great as that was the first time I had been exposed to any backstage info as I never subscribed to any of the sheets...Why bother when I got the condensed version of the two biggest ones at the time for free every week from Cody.
Didn't anyone else in Canada, particularly the Toronto area remember Cody's updates?
I grew up in Halifax and they had his hotline there, so he may have been available all across Canada and the States too.

Anyway, we take you back to our regularly scheduled programing about the "Men Behind The Masks" now. :)

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kargol wrote:
Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

Tore me apart trying to figure out  Goldust

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Benlen wrote: kargol wrote:
Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

Tore me apart trying to figure out  Goldust

Really???
Are you legit with that or just fibbing?
I would have figured that as soon as he opened his mouth and spoke everyone would have Goldust figured out. It's that lisp IMO that outs him as coming from the loins of Stardust himself.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Benlen wrote: kargol wrote:
Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

Tore me apart trying to figure out  Goldust

Really???
Are you legit with that or just fibbing?
I would have figured that as soon as he opened his mouth and spoke everyone would have Goldust figured out. It's that lisp IMO that outs him as coming from the loins of Stardust himself.

Legit. Scott Hall /Razor Ramon too.

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Back in the day, it was harder for me to figure out gimmick changes and masked wrestlers because I didn't subscribe to newsletters and there wasn't the internet to tell you the truth. The only wrestling mag that sorta broke kayfabe was Wrestling Eye.


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I think Big John Studd starting using that name in Dallas.

I don't know who the best at the mask thing was, but I couldn't figure out Golddust or Razor Ramon either.

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I never made the connection between Pritchard and Zip. 

 

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kargol wrote: Didn't realize Matt Borne was Doink.

Best change of that sort of persona was Dustin Rhodes -> Goldust.

i got that the first Doink was Borne. just the way he moved tipped it for me.

i never did figure out that they changed guys, though, until I read it online.

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Bubba-War Machine

The big giant Goatee coming from War Machine's mask was a dead giveaway. That, and His big Fat Belly.

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I did this best.

You fags still have no clue to who I am.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Had no idea that Giant Machine was Andre The Giant. It wasn't until years later that I found out. I always had a sneaky suspicion it was Shohei Baba due to the strong resemblance that him and Giant Machine had in regards to their arm size. I guess Bobby Heenan was right after all.

As for the other two Machines, Super and Big, it bugged me that I couldn't place them right away. I knew they were real familiar(the tattoo and voice), but couldn't figure it out in time before Pro Wrestling Illustrated let the cat out of the bag in the next issue after they debuted that it was Mulligan and Eadie. Same deal with Ax of Demolition. It was on the tip of my tongue, but didn't figure it out in time before PWI gave him up.

Had no idea on all 3.  Thought Giant was Baba, maybe, but wasnt sure.

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No clue that Lynn Denton became the Grappler. Saw him as Denton in 82 with JCP at MLG. Two years later he's there as part of the Grapplers.

Cpl Kirschner becoming Leatherface

Jerry Stubbs as Mr Olympia initially

Keichi Yamada, saw him in Stampede for a while in the late 80's, no clue at the time he became Liger

Same thing when Koji Kanemoto became Tiger Mask 3
or when Yoshinari Asai became Ultimo Dragon

No clue that "Trooper" Del Wilkes was the Patriot

Didn't know that Brad Armstrong was Badstreet/Fantasia

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Principal_Raditch wrote: or when Yoshinari Asai became Ultimo Dragon


I liked Ultimo Dragon...thought he was a tremendous wrestler...

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black scorpion wrote: I did this best.

You fags still have no clue to who I am.

I don't recall anyone caring about your true identity.  So-based on that, yes-you are the best.

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Most times, the pull of the masked man was to find out who was under the mask. Once in awhile, a guy would come along that was so over that nobody cared who was under the mask.  That could possibly apply to you.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: No clue that Lynn Denton became the Grappler. Saw him as Denton in 82 with JCP at MLG. Two years later he's there as part of the Grapplers.

Didn't the Grappler wrestle in JCP in 81?  Before he returned to Mid-South he was in JCP as the Grappler, right? Or maybe early 82? I've got a couple of matches with him from Mid-Atlantic TV from around 81, in between Mid-South runs.



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HarryG wrote: Most times, the pull of the masked man was to find out who was under the mask. Once in awhile, a guy would come along that was so over that nobody cared who was under the mask.  That could possibly apply to you.
Me being over goes goes without saying.  I"m the Black fuk'n Scorpion.

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black scorpion wrote:
HarryG wrote: Most times, the pull of the masked man was to find out who was under the mask. Once in awhile, a guy would come along that was so over that nobody cared who was under the mask.  That could possibly apply to you.
Me being over goes goes without saying.  I"m the Black fuk'n Scorpion.


One day we will pull his mask off and discover...JUANITA TIMBS!!

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amerorig wrote: black scorpion wrote:
HarryG wrote: Most times, the pull of the masked man was to find out who was under the mask. Once in awhile, a guy would come along that was so over that nobody cared who was under the mask.  That could possibly apply to you.
Me being over goes goes without saying.  I"m the Black fuk'n Scorpion.


One day we will pull his mask off and discover...JUANITA TIMBS!!

Great... Now I've got to stop haunting CanadianWHorse'sAss to deal with your wedding singing ass.



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