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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 05:47 pm |
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TXM
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Teddy is the clear winner here. Could the WWF have done more with Davis? They just turned him into a prelim guy and then gave him his ref job back a few months later, with no explanation. Just seemed like they missed the boat here. If I'm off on the Davis time line I apologize, but it seemed like after WM3 the whole angle was forgotten. Last edited on Sun Aug 21st, 2011 05:51 pm by TXM |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 06:17 pm |
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PeteF3
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Davis actually stuck around as an undercard wrestler for about 2 to 2-and-a-half years. He was pretty over as a heel to start with but clearly had nothing to do after the feud with the Bulldogs ended. He had a feud with George Steele and then he was working openers against Sam Houston. Long had the more successful post-turn stint but the Davis-as-heel-ref angle itself was worked so, so much better. I don't even recall any build-up to Long's heel turn, he just fast-counted the Roadies out of the blue and that was that. Davis was creating headaches for months on end and getting tangentially involved in all the major angles: Piper, Hogan, and Steamboat all got screwed over by him at some point. Depending on if you believe it was intentional or not, the Davis build-up went back as far as a year when he was the ref for the Tito/Savage title change.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 06:30 pm |
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TXM
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PeteF3 wrote: Davis actually stuck around as an undercard wrestler for about 2 to 2-and-a-half years. He was pretty over as a heel to start with but clearly had nothing to do after the feud with the Bulldogs ended. He had a feud with George Steele and then he was working openers against Sam Houston.I might be woing, but I seem to remember there was some foreshadowing, regarding the Long heel turn. I just cannot point to any specifics. Perhaps someone else can.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 06:55 pm |
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PeteF3
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I've asked about that before, I think on KFM, and I got the same response. "I thought there was build-up, wasn't there?" with no specifics. So even if there was build-up, no one remembers it, which just proves my point. It also came during a time when the NWA was turning guys left and right, so it would just get lost in the shuffle anyway. Davis, meanwhile, was involved in the Hogan/Orndorff cage match, the Savage/Steamboat crushed throat angle, screwed over Roddy Piper in a match with Mr. Fuji on Superstars...he was all over the place. The payoff wasn't much but the long-term execution and build was fantastic.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 08:11 pm |
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BayouBoogie
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TXM wrote:PeteF3 wrote:Davis actually stuck around as an undercard wrestler for about 2 to 2-and-a-half years. He was pretty over as a heel to start with but clearly had nothing to do after the feud with the Bulldogs ended. He had a feud with George Steele and then he was working openers against Sam Houston.I might be woing, but I seem to remember there was some foreshadowing, regarding the Long heel turn. I just cannot point to any specifics. Perhaps someone else can. They built Long as a heel for several weeks, at least. He screwed JYD out of a win against Simmons (that was Simmons heel turn as well). He just basically screwed with the babyfaces for many weeks before the turn. i know it was built up, to the point that I expected to see something big in that match at the Rajin Cajun Clash. It was defnitely foreshadowed. The Davis thing was done much better overall, though. they really made that a focal point of their shows for months. Last edited on Sun Aug 21st, 2011 08:13 pm by BayouBoogie |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 08:27 pm |
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BayouBoogie wrote: TXM wrote:Didn't teddy officially turn heel helping Doom win the NWA tag titles? Danny Davis was well done, costing the bulldogs the tag belts against the Hart Foundation refusing to count a pin when the Bulldogs(Davey Boy I believe) had Bret Hart pinned by going out to check on the other Bulldog
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 08:45 pm |
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TXM wrote: Teddy is the clear winner here. They aligned Davis with the Hart Foundation. That was tough. His turn would usually lead to a managerial position and who knows how good his promo skills were because Jimmy Hart was already their mouthpiece.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 08:49 pm |
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PeteF3
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Davis was good at projecting being a smug, disingenuous prick but I don't recall him being particularly strong on promos. He also had an incredibly thick New England accent that worked against him.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2011 09:06 pm |
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DJP
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I'm pretty sure the match between Simmons and JYD where Long fast counted Dog happend after the incident at the Clash because I remember Jim Herd announcing right after that he was fired. IIRC, Davis became a referee again sometime after Wrestlemania V. They basically just said that he was being given a second chance (after supposedly being "banned for life") and that was that.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 01:32 am |
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BayouBoogie
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DJP wrote:I'm pretty sure the match between Simmons and JYD where Long fast counted Dog happend after the incident at the Clash because I remember Jim Herd announcing right after that he was fired. I think you are right on that.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 01:33 am |
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BayouBoogie
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mike3775 wrote idn't teddy officially turn heel helping Doom win the NWA tag titles?It was the Varsity Club at the Rajin Cajun Clash of April 89. Then he got fired during Simmons heel turn on the Dog. Then he came back as a manager. Not sure who he had first, but he brought Norman the Lunatic in early on (just to play the mistreated, dim-witted heel who becomes lovable babyface). I know he hooked up with Simmons and Reed early on as well. I recall him scouting them and I THINK they formed a team very briefly. I know Teddy talked about teaming them up. But then they disappeared and a couple of big black guys who looked very much like them showed up under hoods as Doom (with Woman). Teddy then brought in the SkyScrapers. Doom didn't join Teddy and become champs until after their unmasking in early 90. Last edited on Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 01:39 am by BayouBoogie |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 01:52 am |
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mike3775
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thanks for the info
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 03:28 am |
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srossi HALL OF FAMER
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I was a much bigger NWA fan than WWF fan during this time period, but I preferred the Danny Davis heel turn by a significant amount. Neither Long nor Davis were fantastic on the mic (Long has improved but even as GM now I'm not crazy about him) but Davis had Jimmy Hart as his mouthpiece whereas Long did most of his talking himself. Davis also looked like he could physically mix it up with guys even though he was booked mainly as a jobber (after the angle cooled off he was a full-fledged jobber for a while until being reinstated), whereas Long did the awful comedy matches with other managers. I thought the Davis angle was built up better and just had better execution. Davis also cost both Tito the I-C title to Savage (at the very beginning of the angle, very subtle) and the Bulldogs the Tag titles to the Harts, so it had greater impact.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 10:16 am |
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BottomlessJack2
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srossi wrote:I preferred the Danny Davis heel turn by a significant amount. Ditto
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011 03:54 pm |
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SMN
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In the early 90s I attended a WWF show in Northern CA where Danny Davis was not only the referee for the majority of the matches, but was also the guy taking down the ring after the show. I suppose a job is a job, and being employed by the largest wrestling company in the country is better than the alternative, but I couldn't help but feel a little sad knowing that just a few years before the guy was a performer on the biggest North American show of all time only to be the guy collecting up the turnbuckles a short time later.
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