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TXM
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Johnny Solinger in Skid Row. |
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stingmark
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Gary Cherone-VH EVERY Journey singer after Steve Perry The current singer of Warrant |
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TXM
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I thought about naming Cherone, but the guy can sing. I think it was more of a timing thing, more than anything else. I always thought cherone would have been the ideal replacement for Freddie Mercury in Queen, Also, the little Filipino dude who sings for Journey now is a monster. |
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stingmark
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TXM wrote:I thought about naming Cherone, but the guy can sing. I think it was more of a timing thing, more than anything else. I always thought cherone would have been the ideal replacement for Freddie Mercury in Queen, Of course Cherone can sing, but you asked for worst replacement singer, and he was. Good in his own right, horrible replacement choice for VH. From a die hard Journey fan: Pineda can sing, but hes a tribute band singer, nothing more. If they werent trotting out Perry clone, after Perry clone, like they have w/3 singers now, &continuing to call it Journey? I wouldnt feel that way. Guys good, but how did he get the job? Imitating/sounding like someone else. Just like Augeri &JSS did. Augeri's voice nearly gave out, trying to imitate Perry. |
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tamalie HALL OF FAMER
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Gary Cherone might have worked in Van Halen if not for the fact that many fans were mad about both the manner of Sammy Hagar's exit and that they were teased with the return of David Lee Roth only for it to either fall through or turn out to be never really been in the cards. Eddie Van Halen had long been a big babyface as a personality to Van Halen fans, and music fans in general. These twin debacles made him out to be the worst kind of heel and his rep still hasn't recovered after 15 years. No one was buying Cherone after that mess. Last edited on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 04:58 pm by tamalie |
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TXM
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tamalie wrote: Gary Cherone might have worked in Van Halen if not for the fact that many fans were mad about both the manner of Sammy Hagar's exit and that they were teased with the return of David Lee Roth only for it to either fall through or turn out to be never really been in the cards. Eddie Van Halen had long been a big babyface as a personality to Van Halen fans, and music fans in general. These twin debacles made him out to be the worst kind of heel and his rep still hasn't recovered after 15 years. No one was buying Cherone after that mess. That's what I meant by saying it was bad timing. No one wanted to hear Cherone fronting Van Halen, especially at that particular point in time. As a stand-alone album, it was borderline passable. Not just something a VH fan would want to hear. |
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Hymie Itsu
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Johnny Edwards and Ray Wilson |
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TXM
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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote: But here's the thing, Journey is basically a nostalgia act now. Have been since Perry left. They make their money from touring. In that respect it's in their best interest to find someone who can mimic Perry. No one is going to a Journey show to hear some singer doing his own take on the classic Journey catalog. They want to hear something resembling what is on the albums. |
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stingmark
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TXM wrote:tamalie wrote:Gary Cherone might have worked in Van Halen if not for the fact that many fans were mad about both the manner of Sammy Hagar's exit and that they were teased with the return of David Lee Roth only for it to either fall through or turn out to be never really been in the cards. Eddie Van Halen had long been a big babyface as a personality to Van Halen fans, and music fans in general. These twin debacles made him out to be the worst kind of heel and his rep still hasn't recovered after 15 years. No one was buying Cherone after that mess. I know what you were saying&agree w/both of you. That album got them dropped by their label. It was a bad attempt to save face. It was always assumed it was all DLR/Sammys faults....only years later, did fans start to realize, some of the things Dave/Sammy were saying about how bad Eddie was, did they start believing it. Imo, its going to blow up in their face again, this current lineup. |
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stingmark
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TXM wrote:stingmark wrote:TXM wrote: So, that was my point somewhat? A nostalgia act, fronted by a tribute band singer? A guy singing someone elses songs? Dont call it Journey then, as its not. I continue to laugh to this day, that Perry still gets paid from the band, yet hasnt been a member for over 10 yrs. He deserves to be, Neals such an ass. Last edited on Fri Dec 9th, 2011 05:22 pm by stingmark |
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Hymie Itsu
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stingmark wrote: TXM wrote: The real irony of the situation is IIRC Journey was going to be a Santana-esque type group 'til Perry came along. |
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Married Jo
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tamalie wrote:Gary Cherone might have worked in Van Halen if not for the fact that many fans were mad about both the manner of Sammy Hagar's exit and that they were teased with the return of David Lee Roth only for it to either fall through or turn out to be never really been in the cards. Eddie Van Halen had long been a big babyface as a personality to Van Halen fans, and music fans in general. These twin debacles made him out to be the worst kind of heel and his rep still hasn't recovered after 15 years. No one was buying Cherone after that mess.This. Cherone was actually a GREAT replacement, don't blame him, blame Eddie and Alex..Gary was doomed from the start. That said, the tour they did with him, nobody went, but damn, they were on FIRE, Eddie was playing great and Gary sang his ass off, he not only pulled off the old classics but nailed the Hagar stuff as well and that's not easy to do.. |
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stingmark
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Yep. You could say, if not for Perry, Journey wouldnt exist today? They were going to get dropped, due to poor album sales. Perry comes aboard &we all know the rest. Guys got a golden voice. |
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stingmark
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Married Jo wrote:tamalie wrote: True dat. Jo, Im probably one of the few, who are in the same camp as you, in that I actually didnt think that record was bad? It was ok.....but Cherone can sing his ass off, no question. He definitely got a bad rap, while making the best of a bad situation. |
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Married Jo
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I like HALF of that album. The only real problem with it is Eddie was spewing the "yeah, all Roth and Hagar sang about was partying and screwing, we're above that now" and had half the album full of political crap, please. That said, personally, I think "Without You" was as good as any song VH had ever done and SHOULD have been on their greatest hits album...hopefully one day they give at least that song a little respect. btw, somewhere I've got a great soundboard bootleg from that tour and Cherone kills it..I'll hunt for it and put up a download link for it next week for anyone that wants it, it's great. |
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Married Jo
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btw, forgot about this, but another thing that I love about Hagar is that he really just wants to jam and have fun, he never had a problem with Cherone and has had him come up and sing with him several times since that. It's kind of funny, that Hagar/Roth tour they did in 2002, Sammy tried almost EVERY NIGHT to get Roth out there to sing with him, especially the nights that Mikey was playing with him, he even offered at one point I know to just stand back and play guitar and let Roth and Mikey do their thing, and Roth never would do it, always came up with some excuse. That same tour when they were near where Cherone lived, Sammy got Gary up there and sang VH songs with him.. |
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BigJ
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Married Jo wrote:tamalie wrote: Agree on all points. Cherone did fantastic in a horrible situation. |
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BigJ
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stingmark wrote:TXM wrote: It's unfair to criticize Augeri and Soto. The 2 Augeri albums (plus an EP) were very, very solid, and Arrival had some of their best work since the peak. It was better than the previous 2 Perry albums, but it got literally zero promotion. Augeri should have been given a year off to rest but the plowed on - the money's in the tour. Poor bastard's lucky he can sing now. Soto is fantastic but Cain and Schon are hooked on their "legacy sound" and Soto's voice is too deep. Pineda does his best. But he's not as good live or on record as Augeri, and often times sounds just brutal on some of the more difficult Perry stuff. The drummer, Deen Castronovo, is actually a better Journey vocalist than Arnel Pineda. |
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BigJ
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TXM wrote:I thought about naming Cherone, but the guy can sing. I think it was more of a timing thing, more than anything else. I always thought cherone would have been the ideal replacement for Freddie Mercury in Queen, This x10. I'm not exactly sure why this didnt happen. |
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stingmark
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BigJ wrote:stingmark wrote: I think Augeri &Soto are great singers, just not for Journey. Both got the gigs, bc they sounded alot like Perry. If they had a different sound, then they wouldnt make any money as a band. The legacy thing is whats paying their bills right now. Their new disc, sounds like a cheap, tribute band, trying to sound like Journey. I couldnt even get past the 4th or 5th song, it was so bad. Pineda better have iron lungs, dont know what the band would do, if he went down, ala Augeri. Truthfully, think Pinedas ok....but all this " omg he sounds exactly like Perry" bs....is just that. Yeah he does sound similar, but alot of times, he struggles to recreate that sound, making him &the band come off looking cheap Last edited on Sat Dec 10th, 2011 05:40 pm by stingmark |
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