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 Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 06:15 am
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 Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 06:58 am
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Babe Ruth... hit for average...hit for power (with out juice)...and was a great pitcher



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 Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 01:21 pm
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The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Babe Ruth... hit for average...hit for power (with out juice)...and was a great pitcher

I can't argue with that.

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Me too.  And I make my choice relative to how he outperformed his competition of the era.



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Yup, the Mighty Babe. A better question would be
"Who's the second greatest player of all time ?".

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I only caught him at the very tail end of his career when he was a physical wreck, but based on statistics and the impression he left on the people who saw him I'd say a healthy Mickey Mantle. 

Willie Mays deserves mention as well and, though this just may be the mark in me, no shortstop in the history of baseball has come remotely close to matching Ernie Banks numbers.



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Second best, Ted Williams. Look at the number he put up, then factor in he lost 3 years of his career to the War. 5th all time in BA, #1 in OBP, 521 hr, 1839 rbi, 1798 runs.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: Second best, Ted Williams. Look at the number he put up, then factor in he lost 3 years of his career to the War. 5th all time in BA, #1 in OBP, 521 hr, 1839 rbi, 1798 runs.
That's a great point.  Williams' war involvement happened right after his greatest season so it'd be interesting to see what he could have done if had those seasons back.
And played in Yankee Stadium, with Joe D flipping teams with him and seeing how many more dingers those guys would have put up.



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Williams fought in 2 wars, losing most of 2 more seasons
during the Korean War.
At age 39 he won the batting title hitting .388. I'm sure he didn't get any
infield singles. The next year, he "slumped" to .328 but still managed to
win the batting title. In his last season, at age 42, he hit .316. Not too shabby.

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True, I forgot about the 52 and 53 seasons where he only played something like 40 games total between the two. So in effect, he lost 4 3/4 seasons to two wars and still put up those numbers.

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Ruth, then Cobb.  The numbers really speak for themselves with those two.



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Cobb was a real prick. He once climbed into the stands,  spikes
and all to beat the crap out of a guy in a wheel chair.
But his numbers are incredible. Hit over .300 in 23 of his 24 seasons.
In his last year at age 42, hit .323.  His most remarkable achievement
was his lifetime BA of .366.
By comparison, here are other lifetime batting averages.
Mantle - .298
Mays   -  302
Brett   - .305
Carew - .328
Aaron  - .305


A rotten human being, but likely the second greatest.


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You have to compare guys to people in their own era, but even for the Dead Ball period Cobb was head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of BA, hits, runs scored, stolen bases, etc.

I also love this bit of anecdotal evidence as to Cobb's skills.  He was past his prime in 1925.  The Dead Ball era was over.  Ruth was the shit and Cobb despised him and the new style of baseball that was becoming popular.  A few reporters were talking to Cobb about how the home run was the wave of the future in baseball and Cobb's style was dead.  Cobb said he could hit homers too like a neanderthal, he just chose not to because that's not how the game should be played.  They basically told him he was full of shit.  That day, Cobb got 5 at-bats.  He struck out twice and hit 3 homers.  To put things in perspective, he finished the year with 12 homers and 12 strikeouts.



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Mention all the other nams you want - until any of them pitch five-six years of HOF caliber ball on top of all their hitting accomplishments, they're nowhere NEAR Ruth.  Keep in mind the years he broke the HR records, he was hitting more himself than every other TEAM in the league.  Absolutely will never happen again - a guy would have to hit 250-300 HR's in a season now to equate to that.

Ruth is simply the most dominating athlete to ever play professional sports.

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