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Apparently Dave metzler reported on his radio show that the Carter Family want out of the wrestling business. It's been a money hole, and they can't seem to get it going.

Interested parties are Viacom, Jeff jarrett, and.....wait for it......WWE.

You think the WCW invasion was bad, wait for this burial.

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Is there any homegrown TNA talent worth the WWE's time?

They could certainly use a few fresh faces.

What about Sting and Angle? Can they perform still? Could you give them a Lesnar-esque deal and do a couple dream matches at the next couple big PPV's?

I never watch TNA, so I really don't know.

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Other than putting TNA out of business there really is nothing they could benefit from by buying TNA. Tape library? Pffff. Maybe a few of the talents but after what happened to the majority of the WCW guys after the purchase they would be buried by next summer anyway.

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I think Robert Rood, James Storm, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, and Austin Aries could help bolster WWE's midcard and could deliver good matches for WWE. 

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WWE can get anyone they want on the TNA roster.  Even Styles will sign with them if he has no other place to work, and I imagine Sting would agree to a Legends contract since he knows this would effectively end his career other than 1 or 2 Japan offers a year.  They would try to buy it just to shut them down, but they don't need to to get the contracts.  The truth is, most of these guys they've shown little to no interest in when their deals have expired in the past.

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Quattro wrote: Is there any homegrown TNA talent worth the WWE's time?

They could certainly use a few fresh faces.

What about Sting and Angle? Can they perform still? Could you give them a Lesnar-esque deal and do a couple dream matches at the next couple big PPV's?

I never watch TNA, so I really don't know.

maybe  Taker vs Sting at WM

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The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.

Other than that, the guys that have stuck it out with TNA are too damaged.

Ring of Honor would benefit greatly, though, if WWE bought and closed TNA.

But don't kid yourselves... WWE won't spend a huge amount of money on TNA. They could probably care less. If Bischoff, Jarrett or Viacom pony up more money, Vince could care less. It's not like TNA has a great video library like the WCW or ECW had.

 

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martini wrote: If Bischoff, Jarrett or Viacom pony up more money
 

then they're idiots. I'd love to know what crappy ideas the first two have to make any more off this rapidly sinking ship.

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The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.

Other than that, the guys that have stuck it out with TNA are too damaged.

Ring of Honor would benefit greatly, though, if WWE bought and closed TNA.

But don't kid yourselves... WWE won't spend a huge amount of money on TNA. They could probably care less. If Bischoff, Jarrett or Viacom pony up more money, Vince could care less. It's not like TNA has a great video library like the WCW or ECW had.

 


What about AJ Styles? Or do they already have their quota of "AJ's" on the roster?

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If WWE had any interest in any of the TNA talent, they'd have signed with WWE a long time ago, with the possible exception of Sting for a HOF deal.

WWE couldn't give two craps about AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, Austin Aries or anyone else in TNA. If they need any more smaller guys to fill out the mid-card, they have plenty of decent guys in NXT.

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LarrySC wrote: martini wrote:
The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.

Other than that, the guys that have stuck it out with TNA are too damaged.

Ring of Honor would benefit greatly, though, if WWE bought and closed TNA.

But don't kid yourselves... WWE won't spend a huge amount of money on TNA. They could probably care less. If Bischoff, Jarrett or Viacom pony up more money, Vince could care less. It's not like TNA has a great video library like the WCW or ECW had.

 


What about AJ Styles? Or do they already have their quota of "AJ's" on the roster?


Not a joke, they absolutely would make him change his name because of that.  Hell, they made Shane Helms change his name because of Shane McMahon.  The funny thing about A.J. is that he so has the stench of TNA all over him that I doubt WWE would touch him, and yet all those years he spent in TNA never resulted in him ever really "making it".  He got the worst of both worlds.

There's some TNA talent that they can cherry-pick.  Of course, they don't need to but TNA to do that.  They could've gotten them whenever they wanted since they've all had contract renewals in the past few years.  Without TNA though providing another option though, they can probably get them cheaper and the talent would have no choice but to go there. 

I see Bobby Roode being the closest to WWE-ready.  No reason he couldn't slip into a Dolph Ziggler type role.  They have similar size and skill.  

If Austin Aries was just a little bigger, he would've been in WWE years ago but they've repeatedly shown no interest in him (he couldn't even get a spot on "Tough Enough" and was about to retire over it before getting this latest big push in TNA).  I don't see any reason why that would change now.

Storm needs to get in better shape, period.  Other than that, he has the mic skills and works a WWE style (i.e. slower-paced and non-indy).  But I doubt they'll have interest in him physically.  

Samoa Joe lost interest and let himself go even more than before.  He's a shell of his former self and it was a tough sell before.  If Mick Foley couldn't get him in years ago when he had tremendous buzz and at least a few lesss pounds, they'll clearly never sign him now when he has nothing going for him and no one championing him.

Everyone else (other than the former WWE/WCW/ECW guys who they already know) are pretty much indy lifers or very green, and would never get a second look.  It's not like at 43 guys like Christopher Daniels suddenly have what WWE is looking for.   

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Can WWE just add "A Distant Second: the History of TNA Impact" on to WWE On Demand already?  I'd watch the weekly shows once a month On Demand.

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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?

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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.

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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.

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Let's say one of the other interested parties buys it. What could they do to make it turn even a bit of a profit?

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Famous Mortimer wrote: Let's say one of the other interested parties buys it. What could they do to make it turn even a bit of a profit?

As long as they get to keep TV, they could make a profit.  Chimps could run TNA better than the current crew

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3setsof10 wrote: Famous Mortimer wrote: Let's say one of the other interested parties buys it. What could they do to make it turn even a bit of a profit?

As long as they get to keep TV, they could make a profit.  Chimps could run TNA better than the current crew

Yaeh, they just need to go back to accepting that they're small and relatively insignificant and enjoy the niche market they serve.  As long as they have Spike's support, there's no excuse for them to be this financially strapped.  They need to cut everyone who is making too much money for starters, because a test pattern has the same effect on ratings as any of their "stars".  They should go back to the days when they showcased various indy wrestlers every week and had an "open-door policy" and weren't so reliant on contracts.  There's always good indy talent willing to do TV for a beer and a blow job, you don't even have to pay.  It'll be tougher now though since Hogan blew their sweet Universal deal.  I know they're going back, but it's temporary and in a different space and the seal isn't as good as what they walked away from. 

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srossi wrote: 3setsof10 wrote: Famous Mortimer wrote: Let's say one of the other interested parties buys it. What could they do to make it turn even a bit of a profit?

As long as they get to keep TV, they could make a profit.  Chimps could run TNA better than the current crew

Yaeh, they just need to go back to accepting that they're small and relatively insignificant and enjoy the niche market they serve.  As long as they have Spike's support, there's no excuse for them to be this financially strapped.  They need to cut everyone who is making too much money for starters, because a test pattern has the same effect on ratings as any of their "stars".  They should go back to the days when they showcased various indy wrestlers every week and had an "open-door policy" and weren't so reliant on contracts.  There's always good indy talent willing to do TV for a beer and a blow job, you don't even have to pay.  It'll be tougher now though since Hogan blew their sweet Universal deal.  I know they're going back, but it's temporary and in a different space and the seal isn't as good as what they walked away from. 

I disagree with keeping it small and insignificant.  They can try to go big, and when I mean big I don't mean WWE big.  I mean TNA 2007-2008 big.  TNA turned the corner at that point...they built momentum basically over a three year period where they went from a Fox Sports broadcast that they paid for, to a late night Spike show, to prime time.  They gained momentum, they gained money, they started getting merchandise in big stores like Toys R Us and K-Mart, they were being recognized a bit.  They were turning a profit, and they were exciting.  Then they decided that they wanted to get bigger overnight, and hired Hogan and Bischoff.  I don't think that was a bad hire, it was a great hire that went bad because they didn't continue with the business model they had.  Hogan and Bischoff wanted to compete from day one, TNA should have dug in and said it's still a four year plan, let it play out.  They should have never, EVER left Universal.  If they wanted to do TV on the road like Hogan and Bischoff said was necessary, they should have done it a lot more limited than they did, and they never should have gone live...it costs too much.   PPVs should have been done on the road where they could offset some costs with paid admissions.  The international market LOVED TNA, to the point that I feel they could have done PPVs from England, etc, where the show was pre-taped the night before and broadcast on Sunday. Nobody can honestly tell me it would have hurt their buy rate in the US, it could only help if somebody read a spoiler and decided it was a must-see.  AND, if running the PPVs overseas happened, it would have the ability to make a country excited for TNA since they would feel it was "their product".  Thus, TNA could charge more for tickets and run bigger arenas.

And one more thing - you can only go so far with "indy talent", before your whole promotion turns into an indy show.  You need a roster of consistent performers that are on contract.  Not 100 guys, maybe 20-25 tops and the rest come in on a week to week. 

TNA could make a LOT of profit.  That's why I feel that a media company such as Viacom will buy them...if they own the programming, they can make a profit simply by selling the rights elsewhere.  You don't think Viacom would know how to monetize the brand and the video library in other countries?  They would do just fine.  It's just a matter as to whether or not they will outbid Vince...because Vince would pay a lot just to make them go away.  He wants to be the only one, period, regardless of how insignificant TNA is to him. 

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TNA made expansion & growth moves with zero signs (or very little) of any demand for their product. Honestly, the more they 'grew' the less the demand. At least here in the states

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Infamous wrote: TNA made expansion & growth moves with zero signs (or very little) of any demand for their product. Honestly, the more they 'grew' the less the demand. At least here in the states
Exactly.  They're on Spike TV.  That was the last time they needed to grow.  Get your 1.0-1.2 rating and don't get cancelled.  Use that exposure to continue to run national guard armories and high school gyms and sell some merchandise.  Use your 4 PPVs a year as a loss leader just so you don't seem completely bush league, and at least maybe sell out slightly bigger venues for them even if the buy rates are abysmal.  There's your stategy.  No one will get rich but it'll keep them in business.  This ain't rocket science. 

one more thing - you can only go so far with "indy talent", before your whole promotion turns into an indy show.  You need a roster of consistent performers that are on contract

They are an indy company and they always will be one.  Everything about them screams indy show already.  But of course you need guys under contract, I didn't mean you never sign anyone and don't have a regular roster.  But the roster needs to be complemented with revolving indy talent to keep things fresh (and cheaper), exactly like it used to be.  And obviously, the contracts shouldn't be exclusive.  These guys need to be allowed to work indies without the Gestapo taking a cut in order for these guys to survive.  They're not WWE, they're in no position to make demands.

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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.


Velvet was a free agent a little over a year ago, right? No interest from WWE. She has too many skanky looking tattoos.

WWF/E hasn't pushed but one female that I can think of (Lita) with that type of look. She's not what they're looking for in a Diva.

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martini wrote: srossi wrote: martini wrote:
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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.


Velvet was a free agent a little over a year ago, right? No interest from WWE. She has too many skanky looking tattoos.

WWF/E hasn't pushed but one female that I can think of (Lita) with that type of look. She's not what they're looking for in a Diva.

Yeah, I think that's what I said.  Thanks.

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martini wrote: srossi wrote: martini wrote:
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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.


Velvet was a free agent a little over a year ago, right? No interest from WWE. She has too many skanky looking tattoos.

WWF/E hasn't pushed but one female that I can think of (Lita) with that type of look. She's not what they're looking for in a Diva.

One of the Bellas has a pair of pistols pointing at her twat...Velvet Sky's tats are not as skanky as that!

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srossi wrote: Infamous wrote: TNA made expansion & growth moves with zero signs (or very little) of any demand for their product. Honestly, the more they 'grew' the less the demand. At least here in the states
Exactly.  They're on Spike TV.  That was the last time they needed to grow.  Get your 1.0-1.2 rating and don't get cancelled.  Use that exposure to continue to run national guard armories and high school gyms and sell some merchandise.  Use your 4 PPVs a year as a loss leader just so you don't seem completely bush league, and at least maybe sell out slightly bigger venues for them even if the buy rates are abysmal.  There's your stategy.  No one will get rich but it'll keep them in business.  This ain't rocket science. 

one more thing - you can only go so far with "indy talent", before your whole promotion turns into an indy show.  You need a roster of consistent performers that are on contract

They are an indy company and they always will be one.  Everything about them screams indy show already.  But of course you need guys under contract, I didn't mean you never sign anyone and don't have a regular roster.  But the roster needs to be complemented with revolving indy talent to keep things fresh (and cheaper), exactly like it used to be.  And obviously, the contracts shouldn't be exclusive.  These guys need to be allowed to work indies without the Gestapo taking a cut in order for these guys to survive.  They're not WWE, they're in no position to make demands.

If done properly, as in "pre taped" from the day before in an arena that they can sell tickets to, PPV can help them be profitable.  The main cost with PPV is the live feed - eliminated, it becomes an On Demand item that costs almost nothing to get on the air.  They could even tape the PPV in the afternoon and broadcast it at night if they produced it live and save a ton of money.  We're trying to find alternative ways to make them profitable - not to make them competitive.  This is one of them. 

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Superstar wrote: martini wrote: srossi wrote: martini wrote:
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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.


Velvet was a free agent a little over a year ago, right? No interest from WWE. She has too many skanky looking tattoos.

WWF/E hasn't pushed but one female that I can think of (Lita) with that type of look. She's not what they're looking for in a Diva.

One of the Bellas has a pair of pistols pointing at her twat...Velvet Sky's tats are not as skanky as that!

But if you'll note, WWE keeps that tat covered up. Velvet's got a tramp stamp and ugly arm tattoos.. They are just as skany as the tats Rosa and that Bella have.

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Superstar wrote: Then they decided that they wanted to get bigger overnight, and hired Hogan and Bischoff.  I don't think that was a bad hire, it was a great hire that went bad because they didn't continue with the business model they had.  Hogan and Bischoff wanted to compete from day one, TNA should have dug in and said it's still a four year plan, let it play out.  They should have never, EVER left Universal.  If they wanted to do TV on the road like Hogan and Bischoff said was necessary, they should have done it a lot more limited than they did, and they never should have gone live...it costs too much. 
 

I think it was a bad hire for the reasons you mentioned. Hogan and Bischoff weren't interested in working for a company with TNA's business model, did jack shit for ratings and ended up almost ruining the company.

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Famous Mortimer wrote: Superstar wrote: Then they decided that they wanted to get bigger overnight, and hired Hogan and Bischoff.  I don't think that was a bad hire, it was a great hire that went bad because they didn't continue with the business model they had.  Hogan and Bischoff wanted to compete from day one, TNA should have dug in and said it's still a four year plan, let it play out.  They should have never, EVER left Universal.  If they wanted to do TV on the road like Hogan and Bischoff said was necessary, they should have done it a lot more limited than they did, and they never should have gone live...it costs too much. 
 

I think it was a bad hire for the reasons you mentioned. Hogan and Bischoff weren't interested in working for a company with TNA's business model, did jack shit for ratings and ended up almost ruining the company.

I can agree with this...however, that's one thing you can't blame on Hogan.  Dixie Carter is the one to blame for taking a working business model and flushing it down the toilet because she marked for HH.  Hogan did what he does, so did Bischoff.  Difference is, they didn't have a $100m checkbook this time.  And I think if they did, they could have made it happen again.  Unlimited money gives people time and resources.  TNA had neither to offer.

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Famous Mortimer wrote: Superstar wrote: Then they decided that they wanted to get bigger overnight, and hired Hogan and Bischoff.  I don't think that was a bad hire, it was a great hire that went bad because they didn't continue with the business model they had.  Hogan and Bischoff wanted to compete from day one, TNA should have dug in and said it's still a four year plan, let it play out.  They should have never, EVER left Universal.  If they wanted to do TV on the road like Hogan and Bischoff said was necessary, they should have done it a lot more limited than they did, and they never should have gone live...it costs too much. 
 

I think it was a bad hire for the reasons you mentioned. Hogan and Bischoff weren't interested in working for a company with TNA's business model, did jack shit for ratings and ended up almost ruining the company.


Bischoff gets too much credit in this situation. I believe he's settled more into a TV producer role rather than the direction of the company. Granted, Dixie did listen to Hulk too much by taking TNA on the road so much. A taping here or there wouldn't have hurt, but they should've kept a home base somewhere.

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Problem with limiting TNA's reach is that its too late to go back to a smaller version of itself. At least when it comes to Carter family & Panda Energy. I have serious doubts after a decade of pumping money into TNA that they'd be happy with scraps & chump change that a small TNA would (barely) provide. I'm not sure how much cash has been invested into TNA over the years but its not to hard to imagine that they'd have made more money off interest had they just saved the cash in the 1st pace

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martini wrote: Superstar wrote: martini wrote: srossi wrote: martini wrote:
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martini wrote: The only TNA talent I could see WWE interested in immediately is Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. Maybe Bully Ray to help bolster the heel roster.


Velvet Sky?


Again, she has been with TNA so long that she is perceived as a TNA lifer. Plus, female tattoos don't appear to be the look WWE is going for with its Divas.


As hot as she is, Velvet definitely has a skankier look that what gets Vince off, and at the end of the day that seems to be what the Divas division is all about.


Velvet was a free agent a little over a year ago, right? No interest from WWE. She has too many skanky looking tattoos.

WWF/E hasn't pushed but one female that I can think of (Lita) with that type of look. She's not what they're looking for in a Diva.

One of the Bellas has a pair of pistols pointing at her twat...Velvet Sky's tats are not as skanky as that!

But if you'll note, WWE keeps that tat covered up. Velvet's got a tramp stamp and ugly arm tattoos.. They are just as skany as the tats Rosa and that Bella have.

There's nothing skanky about those tats.

That's hot.  Very hot. 

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One of the Bellas has a pair of pistols pointing at her twat...Velvet Sky's tats are not as skanky as that!

They're fairly skanky, they're just random, bit like Madison Rayne's.  At least with someone like Lita they looked like they were done by someone who was thinking about something.  TNA ink just screams pawnshop for the most part.

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From the most recent edition of WON,

There are serious sale talks going on behind the scenes. After we reported it over the weekend, a lot of places ran with borderline ridiculous stories. What I can say at this point is that there is a potential buyer that has been looking at the company. Reps for the potential new ownership group have been at the offices. Talk of a potential sale has been going on for months, but has reached a serious enough point where things are at a significant stage. It is not entirely clear who will end up in power and run the company if and when the deal being negotiated goes through, and what percentage of the company, or if the entire company, is what is being negotiated. One source with significant knowledge of what is going down said the new group is unlikely to get involved without owning a controlling interest. Also, regarding speculation in various media of names involved, all of the speculation is way off, that much I know. It doesn't appear Viacom has any interest in buying the company (even though TNA gets far better ratings than Bellator, it's not as valuable because it can't get the corporate sponsors or ad revenue) and the parties involved come from outside the pro wrestling industry. The people who have at least been negotiating the most seriously are not from Viacom. The people involved have been successful in a number of other businesses. Just my gut says they are buying it more as a television property with the idea that future rights fees as those number escalate for sports will make it valuable.

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Either Meltzer is being worked again or the Carters are blatantly lying.  Either is perfectly possible.

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Janice Carter of TNA responded to online reports that the company was looking for a new owner in an internal memo issued to TNA employees today. In the memo, which praised the new 365 initiative, Carter that while she normally does not comment on rumors, she wrote the staff that any rumors that Panda Energy is "attempting to sell its ownership stake" in TNA is false and that she remains committed to the company.

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I believe Meltzer over Scherer on this one. After all the money TNA lost no way the Carters arnt trying to sell.

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According to a new WrestleZone.com report, Smashing Pumpkins front-man Billy Corgan is rumored to be interested in buying a stake in TNA.

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Either Meltzer is being worked again or the Carters are blatantly lying.  Either is perfectly possible.

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Janice Carter of TNA responded to online reports that the company was looking for a new owner in an internal memo issued to TNA employees today. In the memo, which praised the new 365 initiative, Carter that while she normally does not comment on rumors, she wrote the staff that any rumors that Panda Energy is "attempting to sell its ownership stake" in TNA is false and that she remains committed to the company.

What's the upside to working Meltzer in this instance though? It just makes everyone look low-rent.

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bpickering wrote: According to a new WrestleZone.com report, Smashing Pumpkins front-man Billy Corgan is rumored to be interested in buying a stake in TNA.
He has been connected over the years with numerous down on their luck wrestling promotions. Rumor was at one time that he was gonna try to buy ECW before it closed.

I see him as the TNA owner as a lateral move if not a step back.

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martini wrote: bpickering wrote: According to a new WrestleZone.com report, Smashing Pumpkins front-man Billy Corgan is rumored to be interested in buying a stake in TNA.
He has been connected over the years with numerous down on their luck wrestling promotions. Rumor was at one time that he was gonna try to buy ECW before it closed.

I see him as the TNA owner as a lateral move if not a step back.
Corgan has a stake in Resitance Pro Wrestling in Chicago. According to GQ article he put up 35K which for him is probably not a lot but it seems to be pretty hefty buy-in price for any indy group.

On a recent MLW podcast they touched on him as a possible buyer and my take from the comments was that he was a big ECW mark. His knowledge of the wrestling business is sound but probably not high enough to jump to the level of TNA. They also discussed the viablity of Spike buying it and the thoughts were that after the Bellator fiasco they may be very leery in sinking any money into any company as a an owner.

My take is that the company is worthless because there is literally no value. Their is no brand value, hell is it TNA or is Impact wrestling? The tape library is useless. All of the talent except for Sting, Angle and etc are unknowns to any casual fan. An upstart company can just wait for those contracts to expire anyway. The only thing of value is the TV contract. 

My thoughts if I was a buyer is to land the TV rights. Maybe even doing the WCCW to USWA angle to transition name. Retool the whole company with a small cheap crew. Uses the TV as a lure to keep guys around and leverage that by maybe using the office as a booking office to other indy groups.  Concentrate on international tours. Any domestic house shows would be sold shows.

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Jake Roberts wants to buy TNA. No, really.

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Jake Roberts wants to buy TNA. No, really.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=539088652845468&set=a.234903559930647.59568.150532115034459&type=1&relevant_count=1


I will throw in a couple of bucks. Hell, that may be the most entertaining damn train wreck of all time.

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Lou E. Dangerously, who's become close friends with Billy Corgan and helps him run his indy, has confirmed that Corgan is seriuously interested in buying a partial or majority ownership stake in TNA and flew to Nashville this weekend to have meetings about it.

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They have changed directions changed talent and dropped angles just as they were getting over so many times I can't see how not blowing the whole thing up and starting over isn't the only way to go.  bring back the 5 sided ring or whatever it was, hire Colt Cabana and Steve Corino to be the commentators push younger guys, I'd sign some WWE rejects because just because their hollywood writers dodn't know what to do with them doesn't mean they don't have value.  Bring in a mxture of younger and older creative minds.  But people  with some sort of wrestling background.  start with bringing back Scott D"amore the best one they ever had.  No Russo, Bischoff, Hogan types .  Even then its a crap shoot but make it interesting and find guys who will work cheap.  Raid ROH on any young talent that looks like wrestlers not the midgets or 150 pound guys 

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I still wonder if there's an audience for women's wrestling amongst girls, a la joshi.  Even leaving that aside, some of TNA's best talents were the likes of Taylor Wilde, Sarita, Roxxi Laveaux and Hamada, and they were having some of the best matches, but they basically discarded them all.  Surely they could sign many of them back comparatively cheaply and push a strong women's division.  It would also be a clear difference to the WWE.

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I think TNA proved that if you build around women who can actually wrestle and have good matches, it can get over. WWE's Divas are a self fulfilling prophecy since they hire mainly Barbie dolls who can't wrestle, so no one gives a shit about them.

The tricky part is to get someone in charge who isn't stingmark-ian in their views on women to give them a chance.

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Who on earth, with even the slightest morsel of business sense, would ever invest a dime in something like this?

Unless it is Vince, for the tapes or something. Anyone else would be a complete moron to even consider it.

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TNA used to differentiate themselves with the X, women's, and tag divisions at a time when WWE didn't do anything with theirs.  That all clearly stopped under Hogan/Bischoff.  In the long run, does it matter?  No, because the ratings/buy rates haven't been effected by these types of booking decisions in the least, but it would be nice if they filled the gap and emphasized a different type pf product again.  They might even (gasp) develop a cult following and get an aura of cool surrounding them which could help them make a few more bucks.  Obviously they have bigger fish to fry than just a mere booking direction, there are kids running lemonade stands with more busines sense than these people, but if they ever do stabilize again financially, it would be nice if they went back in that direction.  Whether it really matters in any tangible way or not (and it doesn't), it still would be nice if you turned on TNA and saw something unique instead of a big flashing sign that says "BUSH LEAGUE VERSION OF WWE" for a change.  Just for pride if nothing else.     

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srossi wrote: TNA used to differentiate themselves with the X, women's, and tag divisions at a time when WWE didn't do anything with theirs.  That all clearly stopped under Hogan/Bischoff.  In the long run, does it matter?  No, because the ratings/buy rates haven't been effected by these types of booking decisions in the least, but it would be nice if they filled the gap and emphasized a different type pf product again.  They might even (gasp) develop a cult following and get an aura of cool surrounding them which could help them make a few more bucks.  Obviously they have bigger fish to fry than just a mere booking direction, there are kids running lemonade stands with more busines sense than these people, but if they ever do stabilize again financially, it would be nice if they went back in that direction.  Whether it really matters in any tangible way or not (and it doesn't), it still would be nice if you turned on TNA and saw something unique instead of a big flashing sign that says "BUSH LEAGUE VERSION OF WWE" for a change.  Just for pride if nothing else.     
100% agree.

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we all want to see something different but in th end how many of us will buy PPV's, buy T shirts pay for tickets to a live event? 

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Count Grog wrote: we all want to see something different but in th end how many of us will buy PPV's, buy T shirts pay for tickets to a live event? 
This...unfortunately.

I have taken my kids to multiple TNA events, including one free one at the Impact Zone.   And that's also part of the problem.  If you're not a diehard fan, AND you spent at least a week a year on vacation in Orlando (which a ton of people do), you would just wait and go to the Impact Zone since nothing ever happens at house shows anyway.  The only time I have ever bought any TNA merch was for my kids at the house shows we went to, and when they had the 5 t-shirts for $20 deal, I would get those for my kids also.  My kids loved the wrestling shirts no matter whose shirt it was, and I loved putting them in clothing that only cost me $20.  But we haven't gone to any house shows since December 2008/January 2009, the week before Hogan hit TV.

My cousin flew to Orlando a few times just for PPVs because his feeling was that it was cheaper to fly down from NY than it would be to buy a ticket to a WWE PPV and the wrestling was better.  He also in later years did the $99 fanfest that guaranteed you entrance, and he stayed at a friends' house so his only payment out was food, fanfest, and airfare.  As he was flying single, he'd go on the cheapest possible ticket he could get.  He was the exception, not the rule, but he also was getting into the PPV for free technically.  And he never bought any merch at all. 

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I have bought 1 TNA PPV and that was 2005.  I went to 1 live event but they comped my tickets and gave me a handfull of them.  Never bought any TNA merch.  I haven't watched more than 1 minute of their TV show in over a year

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We could always pool money together like they do on Crazy Max and buy the thing ourselves.

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sek69 wrote: I think TNA proved that if you build around women who can actually wrestle and have good matches, it can get over. WWE's Divas are a self fulfilling prophecy since they hire mainly Barbie dolls who can't wrestle, so no one gives a shit about them.

The tricky part is to get someone in charge who isn't stingmark-ian in their views on women to give them a chance.

Women's wrestling has been around for what 70 or 80 years, maybe longer.

It has never drawn a dime outside of Wendi Richter and Fabulous Moolah with much help from Cyndi Lauper, except for when it was marketed the way it was in the Attitude era.

The reason is simple.. Wrestling fans are predominantly men and they don't care to see two nice-looking ladies attempting to disfigure one another in the manner they want to see males do so.

Women's wrestling will never, I repeat never draw money for a national promotion when promoted as straight wrestling.

It has a niche market as a side item on the grand menu of wrestling, but it cannot be the main course of a big meal and be filling.


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I don't watch wrestling to see people disfigure each other.

It might also be said that women have never drawn because they've never been given the chance to draw. Your post did sound a little like those people at the turn of the 20th century who didn't think women ought to have the right to vote.


Unless TNA makes itself different in some appreciable way from WWE, there's no point to it existing.

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Famous Mortimer wrote: I don't watch wrestling to see people disfigure each other.

It might also be said that women have never drawn because they've never been given the chance to draw. Your post did sound a little like those people at the turn of the 20th century who didn't think women ought to have the right to vote.


Unless TNA makes itself different in some appreciable way from WWE, there's no point to it existing.


Never said women didn't have the right to do anything... Wrestle.. Vote... Whatever...

The fact remains that very few female athletic spectacles (though tennis is one) have equaled big bucks.

It all goes back to the demographic that watches sports, by and large.

Women's wrestling is no different. It has only drawn in a "sex sells" manner or when it was promoted with grand crossover appeal. Never has it drawn on its own for a long duration as Woman A vs. Woman B with a personal issue involved.

Many have tried, but have failed to make straight women's wrestling a consistent drawing card.

I certainly don't believe that TNA, which has failed at most everything it has attempted, would be any different.

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what is to be said when we rather seeing roided up guys or even in the old days fat guys in their underwera pretending to hit each other than sexy abbes in bikinis do the same thing.

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Count Grog wrote: what is to be said when we rather seeing roided up guys or even in the old days fat guys in their underwera pretending to hit each other than sexy abbes in bikinis do the same thing.
That's why when dudes go on about how some female wrestler is a terrible worker, I just shake my head.

Someone has their priorities all kinds of fucked up.



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