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 Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 02:58 am
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Superstar wrote: sek69 wrote: The days of MSG shows full of jobber vs jobber 20 minute draws were far more boring than anything going on today. When Classics on Demand used to air tons of those, they were absolutely BRUTAL to sit through.

The problem with WWE is Vince is so in fear of someone becoming a breakout star that he started the new philosophy of making sure no one is bigger than the brand. Even-steven booking making sure no one gets too over, punishing guys the crowd gets behind without their blessing, poor finishes in every match so the 26,000 man writing staff can justify their existence. Not to mention three hours is way to goddamn long for a weekly TV show of any format, let alone pro wrestling.

This sounds as accurate as any statement on current product I've ever seen.  But if it's true, he's going to destroy his own brand by driving away the fans that pay to see it.  It won't happen overnight - but I remember in 2008 when they started the no blood, PG ratings, and everybody said it wouldn't work.  Well, here we are in 2014, and it's still around.  And at least 25% of the audience has eroded.


PG isn't even in the top ten of things wrong with WWE.  Ever since guys like Brock and Rocky, or even women like Stacy Keibler left and became bigger stars outside of WWE, Vince has made a clear effort to make sure no one is ever seen as bigger than the brand. John Cena's the last guy who was a star before that edict happened and that's why no one has passed him up yet. 
Also, for all the bitching people did about it, the brand split at least made both shows watchable. There's literally no reason for Smackdown to exist since it's all Raw recaps and rematches.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 09:00 am
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Superstar wrote: sek69 wrote: The days of MSG shows full of jobber vs jobber 20 minute draws were far more boring than anything going on today. When Classics on Demand used to air tons of those, they were absolutely BRUTAL to sit through.

The problem with WWE is Vince is so in fear of someone becoming a breakout star that he started the new philosophy of making sure no one is bigger than the brand. Even-steven booking making sure no one gets too over, punishing guys the crowd gets behind without their blessing, poor finishes in every match so the 26,000 man writing staff can justify their existence. Not to mention three hours is way to goddamn long for a weekly TV show of any format, let alone pro wrestling.

This sounds as accurate as any statement on current product I've ever seen.  But if it's true, he's going to destroy his own brand by driving away the fans that pay to see it.  It won't happen overnight - but I remember in 2008 when they started the no blood, PG ratings, and everybody said it wouldn't work.  Well, here we are in 2014, and it's still around.  And at least 25% of the audience has eroded.
I agree with many points mentioned so far, including Srossi's point of there are still killer matches going on, such as Ambrose and Wyatt ambulance match from Monday (they have had a great feud so far IMO, best part of all shows recently), but they also have some dull booking with a pretty decent roster.

I do believe the above bolded part is still the overriding reason why it may seem stale to many with Vince in charge. I have said in many a thread on here that I believe it is impossible to compare era's when it comes to whom may be a "draw" because the mordern WWE is geared towards the whole show, and just not one guy.

Still, you can have that be your plan, as long as you have some compelling stories that are told a little more in the ring, with limited mic time... shoot, their own NXT proves this theory.
 
That show many weeks is the best the WWE produces IMO, and their "PPV Specials" on the Network have really been outstanding... that tells me that when Vince finally gives up control, we might get a decent show when HHH is producing it fully.

edit... also, one of the biggest reasons many are getting turned off to the product is the crappy announcing in the last few years has not helped the shows seem entertaining at all, and listening to Michael Cole so many hours a week can drive you away from the product... they changed announce teams, but IMO they need to start over and get new people totally... William Regal, Renee Young, hell even Alex Riley would be good to have on TV weekly instead of who they have now.

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