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 Posted: Thu Jan 8th, 2015 02:40 am
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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe/france-satire-magazine-gunfire/
 
looks like they know who did it.  I saw one video that showed the terrorists killing the cop point blank, it was like a movie or TV show not real almost.



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What will it take for these European eunuchs to finally have enough? Throw them out already!

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And btw, every liberals wet dream came true when the cop arrived on a bike with no gun.

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I'm sickened by all the "#WeAreCharlie" tweets.  No you're not, most of you are cowards and politically correct pussies whose actions put a target on those who refuse to buckle.  If we were all Charlie, this magazine wouldn't have stood out.  They can't target everyone.  Don't pretend you're in solidarity now.

I'm just glad I got out of Paris before the shit hit the fan.  Getting into the country from Brussels via train was a piece of cake, no one so much as checked my passport once.  Getting to London by air was a different story because they're pussies like us, but I can just imagine how everything is now.



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srossi wrote: I'm sickened by all the "#WeAreCharlie" tweets.  No you're not, most of you are cowards and politically correct pussies whose actions put a target on those who refuse to buckle.  If we were all Charlie, this magazine wouldn't have stood out.  They can't target everyone.  Don't pretend you're in solidarity now.

I'm just glad I got out of Paris before the shit hit the fan.  Getting into the country from Brussels via train was a piece of cake, no one so much as checked my passport once.  Getting to London by air was a different story because they're pussies like us, but I can just imagine how everything is now.

I agree 100%. Every major paper should run those cartoons on their front page. Instead, we're treated to the usual mumbo jumbo how this has nothing to do with Islam.

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Liberals using the old "the slut deserved it because she was wearing a short dress" defense.  You know, the type of argument they normally abhor when it suits their ideology.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-agnostics-im-against-murde

The [url=https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fworld-europe-30710883&ei=5qSuVPvfGaa0sASSrILwAQ&usg=AFQjCNG5eJG-m9TttDeG_l4rOyRNWsYZ3A&sig2=eS3cvhEIjeP5wkXUZizAMw]massacre at the Paris offices[/url] of the venerable satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has been met with near-universal condemnation, but a growing chorus of self-appointed arbiters of good taste are going public, following up cursory denunciations of the murders with caveats that Charlie Hebdo is a "provocative," "racist," "Islamophobic," "homophobic" publication who brought much of its trouble on itself.



Richard Seymour at Jacobin makes this point most succinctly in the final paragraph of his article: 

No, the offices of Charlie Hebdo should not be raided by gun-wielding murderers. No, journalists are not legitimate targets for killing. But no, we also shouldn’t line up with the inevitable statist backlash against Muslims, or the ideological charge to defend a fetishized, racialized “secularism,” or concede to the blackmail which forces us into solidarity with a racist institution.
Earlier in the piece, Seymour explains why he presents no evidence, or even argument, that Charlie Hebdo is a "racist institution":

I will not waste time arguing over this point here: I simply take it as read that — irrespective of whatever else it does, and whatever valid comment it makes — the way in which that publication represents Islam is racist.
Jacob Canfield at The Hooded Utilitarian puts it this way:

Nobody should have been killed over those cartoons.

Fuck those cartoons.
Canfield spends much of his word count sneering at Charlie Hebdo's white editorial staff for having the temerity to satirize Muslims and their prophet, and cites this quote from a BBC profile on Charlie Hebdo's murdered editor, Stephane "Charb" Charbonnier, as evidence that he's a "racist asshole":

Charb had strongly defended Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons featuring the Prophet Muhammad.

“Muhammad isn’t sacred to me,” he told the Associated Press in 2012, after the magazine’s offices had been fire-bombed.

“I don’t blame Muslims for not laughing at our drawings. I live under French law. I don’t live under Koranic law.”
Of the four sentences attributed to Charb, the first should seem obvious coming from a take-no-prisoners satirist, the second is a statement that he understands Charlie Hebdo's humor is not for everyone, the third is a fact, the fourth a refusal to be cowed by violent threats. A pretty low bar for "racist asshole," unless you think that "White men punching down is not a recipe for good satire, and needs to be called out," a sentiment that imposes a racial barrier of entry to engage in satire on certain groups of people, their politics, and religious iconography. 

Self-described "Geeky Porn Starlet/Lecturer/Presenter/Sex Critical Feminist" Kitty Stryker wrote:

So, I’m generally pretty anti-censorship. I mean fuck, I just worked on a porn where we gently poked fun at the new British porn content laws by enacting all of them in a playful, consensual space. I am a big fan of art, and using humour to hopefully make people think and change their minds.

That said, I do not believe that racist, homophobic language is satire. I think it’s abusive, and I think it punches down, harshly and often. 
Later, the "generally pretty anti-censorship" Stryker explicitly puts to words what so many others have danced around:

I don’t think that shooting up the Charlie Hebdo office was ethically Right with a capital R, ok? But I do think it’s understandable.
Because censorship only comes from conservative moral scolds and the government. Massacring cartoonists is "understandable." These Social Justice Warriors must be very proud to be in the company of Catholic League President Bill Donahue, who yesterday opined:

"It is too bad that he didn’t understand the role he played in his tragic death," said Donohue of Stephane Charbonnier, Charlie Hebdo's publisher." In 2012, when asked why he insults Muslims, he said, 'Muhammad isn’t sacred to me.' Had he not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive.
The Catholic League defends its own provocative speech in its mission statement, which they say is "motivated by the letter and the spirit of the First Amendment" and that they "work to safeguard both the religious freedom rights and the free speech rights of Catholics whenever and wherever they are threatened." Like Seymour, Canfield and Stryker, Donahue supports "free speech" but only for some and to a point. 

On HuffPost Live's "Cocktail Chatter," The Daily Beast's David Freelander said "Free speech is about the world of ideas. It doesn't mean that you're engaging in that when you're being deliberately provocative." Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" was deliberately provocative and he learned the hard way about the West's tepid defense of free speech in the world of ideas. 

Finally, USA Today published as a counter-point to its own editorial, an op-ed from "radical Muslim cleric" Anjem Choudary, who skips the mealy-mouthed platitudes about the right to free expression and instead puts the blame on the French government for not stopping Charlie Hebdo from provoking Muslims, "thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk."

This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, "Whoever insults a Prophet kill him." 

However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see.
I would argue that lambasting a government for failing to abandon free speech in the face of a murderous heckler's veto is more offensive than any cartoon could ever be. But I am glad to see Choudary's abhorrent views laid bare in black and white to be reviled or defended and debated, peacefully, in the "world of ideas." His rationale that Charlie Hebdo bore a responsibility for yesterday's atrocity is more direct and honest than those who argue that certain subjects should be protected from satire, and that satirists need to qualify by race, gender and class before they take aim at these sacred cows.



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So yeah, obviously you can't say anything less you get called pro terrorism, and obviously it didn't warrant people getting shot over....but let's not pretend that they didn't use racist images to stir the pot at a time where it was a hot button issue in France with the super far right Le Pen group gaining power.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuhtsCeXTIE

This is a 9 minute youtube clip with Sean Hannity and an Imam from the UK. I'm willing to bet that this Imam knows the koran much better than Kerry, Bush, Clinton, Hollande, Cameron, and maybe even Hussein Obaba. Unlike the aforementioned who have gone out of their way to tell us all that Islam is peaceful and the terrorists don't speak for the other Muslims, this Imam has admitted that it's a religion where one must submit. I'll take his word for it rather than the queers running the west.

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There's also the subtext of the shooters being Algerian and the whole issue of French colonialism, but that's probably a little too nuanced for the Fox News crowd.

Basically the history of France/Algeria + radical Islam + right wing groups stoking hate of brown people led to a powder keg waiting to blow.



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BlueThunder wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuhtsCeXTIE

This is a 9 minute youtube clip with Sean Hannity and an Imam from the UK. I'm willing to bet that this Imam knows the koran much better than Kerry, Bush, Clinton, Hollande, Cameron, and maybe even Hussein Obaba. Unlike the aforementioned who have gone out of their way to tell us all that Islam is peaceful and the terrorists don't speak for the other Muslims, this Imam has admitted that it's a religion where one must submit. I'll take his word for it rather than the queers running the west.

That's Anjem Choudaury.  Nobody really follows him.  He's effectively human clickbait.

The simplest point to make is that the companions of Mohammed did not assassinate anyone who criticized Mohammed.



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I thought this was pretty interesting If the leadership in Iran is speaking out against your attempt to defend Islam, you done fucked up.



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sek69 wrote: There's also the subtext of the shooters being Algerian and the whole issue of French colonialism, but that's probably a little too nuanced for the Fox News crowd.

Basically the history of France/Algeria + radical Islam + right wing groups stoking hate of brown people led to a powder keg waiting to blow.

Ah, blaming this on racism. This is beyond rich. Yeah, most people who have graduated high school know the history of European colonialism. It's really not that complicated or nuanced. These muslims live in self created ghettos and are financed by the generous welfare system. France, UK, and many other european countries have bent over backward to make them feel comfortable. They're nothing but ingrates.  There's nothing nuanced about some twisted fuckers killing someone over a piece of paper.

When the Danish cartoon appeared, riots occurred throughout independent sand land countries. There's nothing nuanced about worldwide riots over a fucking piece of paper depicting their child molesting prophet in an unflattering manner. This just proves that Islam is a toilet religion which breeds a toilet culture.

To blame this massacre on the French is cowardly, and once again depicts muslims as the victims. I think you managed to outfag any of the posters at wc. Congrats!

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So what are you going to do if one of your kids marries a muslim?

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So what are you going to do when one of your kids marries a muslim?
Throw a bucket of pig shit in their faces.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So what are you going to do if one of your kids marries a muslim?
The honor student is way too smart to ever marry a Muslim.



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