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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 03:12 am |
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Franchise Low key big hog 
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I’m currently watching an episode of WCWSN where Luger beats Johnny for the tv title 3/6/96 I believe and it got me thinking “does it elevate a secondary title when a former world champion wins it?” Or “does it bring the wrestlers profile down?” I think it can work both ways and I know how I feel but what do you all think? In this case back in 96 I thought it helped to build Luger and elevated the title because Luger doubled up with the tag titles and got pushed pretty hard. looking back now they could have done the TV title better by putting it on some of the new talent they had flooding the roster like Guerrero, Benoit, Konnan (I know he just recently had the US title) etc. Last edited on Sat Jul 14th, 2018 03:30 am by Franchise ____________________ "Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 05:07 am |
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DJP
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I think it depends on the circumstances, but for the most part I think it brings a wrestler down because they've already reached the highest level.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 06:37 am |
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BitterOldMan
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DJP wrote: I think it depends on the circumstances, but for the most part I think it brings a wrestler down because they've already reached the highest level. I'll disagree with that assumption and go total kayfabe by saying someone could have circumstances come together and win the world title. It may never happen again, think Tommy Rich and Race. Or circumstances are such that the top belt is on a face and another face is being pushed as well, a top guy. Why would putting the US Title on him if the World belt is also on a face be a letdown?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 06:46 am |
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beejmi THE BIG KAHUNA 
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It depends mon who you beat and who beats you in the end. if you bet a nobody (or a nobody beats you for it) then you've been knocked down a peg.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 10:44 am |
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ukfan01
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For me it's how the title is won, defended and lost. Luger did nothing for, and very little with, the TV title. It should have been on somebody else, but at the time they just wanted it off Johnny B Badd. In hindsight they could have put it back on Steven Regal sooner and had him feud with Dave Finlay over it. On a similar theme, it didn't take long for Dusty Rhodes to see the World Tag Team title as being beneath him, ranking below the World title and the TV title. They should have let Manny Fernandez choose a new partner. Last edited on Sat Jul 14th, 2018 10:45 am by ukfan01 |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 12:31 pm |
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srossi HALL OF FAMER
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It depends. Dusty being TV champ definitely elevated it and he was still booked as a main eventer (he was probably the booker so of course).
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 02:26 pm |
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Kriss Citizen of nowhere 
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srossi wrote: It depends. Dusty being TV champ definitely elevated it and he was still booked as a main eventer (he was probably the booker so of course). Yep. If the booking is good, a secondary title can absolutely be worked into main event storylines. On the other hand, with shitty booking, the main title can end up not being the main event.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14th, 2018 06:15 pm |
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The Ultimate Sin HALL OF FAMER 
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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote:It depends. Dusty being TV champ definitely elevated it and he was still booked as a main eventer (he was probably the booker so of course). This is correct. If it's booked correctly you'll elevate the title. If main event level guys are battling for a secondary belt it makes it seem important.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2018 03:16 am |
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srossi HALL OF FAMER
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Kriss wrote:srossi wrote:It depends. Dusty being TV champ definitely elevated it and he was still booked as a main eventer (he was probably the booker so of course). Not only that but it keeps main event level guys in the spotlight while not being in the World title chase. It’s the best of both worlds. But so rarely booked right.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 04:55 pm |
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cheapseats
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It put him on that small list of guys who won all three of WCW's singles titles (not counting the cruiser weight) and the World Tag team belts. Not a bad place to be when you are in the company of guys like Sting, Steamboat, and Rhodes.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 08:43 pm |
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The Ultimate Sin HALL OF FAMER
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There was an angle where Rhodes went after the National Title because he had never won it. I'm pretty sure this was after he had held the World, World Tag, World TV, and US titles. The National Title had lost some luster at this point, but to me, and it just might be me, it made the title seem less important. It felt like he wanted it because it was the final piece in his collection, but not because it was valuable. It should have helped elevate the belt, but I never felt like it did. Anyone remember this?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 08:48 pm |
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cheapseats
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The Ultimate Sin wrote: There was an angle where Rhodes went after the National Title because he had never won it. I'm pretty sure this was after he had held the World, World Tag, World TV, and US titles. The National Title had lost some luster at this point, but to me, and it just might be me, it made the title seem less important. It felt like he wanted it because it was the final piece in his collection, but not because it was valuable. It should have helped elevate the belt, but I never felt like it did. Anyone remember this?Was he already working a program with Landell at the time he gave himself the title though?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 11:02 pm |
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The Ultimate Sin HALL OF FAMER
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cheapseats wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote:There was an angle where Rhodes went after the National Title because he had never won it. I'm pretty sure this was after he had held the World, World Tag, World TV, and US titles. The National Title had lost some luster at this point, but to me, and it just might be me, it made the title seem less important. It felt like he wanted it because it was the final piece in his collection, but not because it was valuable. It should have helped elevate the belt, but I never felt like it did. I don't remember & to be honest I had to use the googles to find out that he won it from Budro.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 11:34 pm |
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freebirdsforever2001
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Wasn't that when Landell was fired around that time frame?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 11:43 pm |
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Franchise Low key big hog
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And the title “change” was in Albuquerque
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